Scimitar vs Tavara

posted on May 28th, 2009, 1:58 am

I think the 3 values for the Tavara are just under double the Norexan of the same avatar. That should mean that 2 Norexans would have a slight advantage over one Tavara. Scimitar butchered 2 Norexans with considerable ease.

posted on May 28th, 2009, 4:13 am

Well, if you mean a basic Tavara, yes indeed the stats aren't that great: off/def/sys is 74/73/44 (or for Helev: 73/69/44). However, once upgraded the Tavara gets: off/def/sys 94/113/66.

The Norexan has 43/32/23 (or for Helev: 40/32/23).

However, the Tavara has beam, torp and pulse weaponry, and the Norexan only has beam and pulse. The torp is killer, and the increased system value means that it recharges shields fairly quickly.

Lastly, an RTS cannot be compared to a movie, because two K'vorts (or was it 2 B'rels) butchered a Galaxy class in a few seconds.

posted on May 28th, 2009, 4:19 am

The stats I surmised are just a very ROUGH guess lol. If we were to take the canon scrimitar from nemesis and put in fleetops with its atribute unmodifyed the scrimitar would best everything else in armada...

The scrimitar in game would have multiple specials...the improved cloak and then a "veteran" scrimitar would get the theloran weapon ....I think though the scrimitar would have the defensive edge though cuz of its double layered shields(primary and secondary)...

One way to determine the strength of the tavara versus a "canon" tavara if one existed is to compare it to the norexean which is in nemesis. we know the stats for the fo norexean and tavara and then could somehow "calculate" an aproximate value.....then "transfer" this value to canon.

I would do this right now but I work with numbers all day and today I had to work with to MANY numbers and I need to give my head a lil bit of a breather from numbers.

Rough gues for a FO scrimitar though....hmmm....6 torpedo launchers 12 pulsed disruptors....2 heavy disruptor beam canons...the improved cloak....and then for veteran the theloran weapon which anihilates all life.

You are still making the vessel far stronger than a borg cube (which i dont belive it is) Besides all the tavara has to do is use the disrupter bombardment and the scimitar cant do anything.

posted on May 28th, 2009, 2:18 pm

Lastly, an RTS cannot be compared to a movie, because two K'vorts (or was it 2 B'rels) butchered a Galaxy class in a few seconds.

3 K-vorts in Yesterday's Enterprise - if that's what ure referring to.

1 was destroyed. and 2 continued firing to destroy the alternate Enterprise D

posted on May 28th, 2009, 3:02 pm

And what would happen if we took the Narada into that battle(improved, of course)? 

posted on May 28th, 2009, 3:09 pm

It would Die simple as that.  It is a mining ship, improved or not.

posted on May 28th, 2009, 3:20 pm

yeah, the only advantage the Narada had was about 130 odd years if tech...

i really doubt a scimtar is capable of taking out a borg cube, plain and simple. that thing can topple a fully kitted Tavara in about 6-8 graviton torps, and at the same time use the cutting beam and its phasers it can shread a tavara.

i think the scimitar would win... just, But i honestly dont know, the tavaran can quick cloak and repair it also has torps which are killer in armarda... i really think its a dead heat.

posted on May 28th, 2009, 3:25 pm

Not to mention its theleron colak, and beam weapon.

posted on May 28th, 2009, 5:00 pm

In which episode i can see a Tavara class? When i search for it in google all i find is something about WoW.

posted on May 28th, 2009, 5:02 pm

The Tavara is FO-unique, it isn't from any series, movie or novel.

posted on May 28th, 2009, 5:39 pm

3 K-vorts in Yesterday's Enterprise - if that's what ure referring to.

1 was destroyed. and 2 continued firing to destroy the alternate Enterprise D

Nope, was thinking of the Duras Sister's assault... though that wasn't fair either. But 3 K'vorts works nicely too 

Either way, there is never going to be any way of comparing movies to in game stuff... because as far as I know, the Enterprise *cough protagonists* always survived (or at least its crew)

[Actium]

posted on May 28th, 2009, 5:45 pm

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the main reason why the scimitar was that strong was the cloak, without cloak it would have been a different fight. tavara is about the scimitar without the special cloak in my sight

edit: i think also that the norexan in FO is stronger than it was in the movie,dont think the norexan class from the movie could take on a sovreign class, the one ingame can.

remember guys: this is a game and the other stuff are movies.

posted on May 28th, 2009, 6:20 pm

A Premonition+Descent Combo can kill anything.

Anyway, a Tavara would get butchered. I mean, take it from an SW point-of view: Tavara is 10 Mon-Calamari Cruisers and 30 B-Wings against the Death-Star II. If you made them all the same crew-level, the Death Star would win.

posted on May 28th, 2009, 6:34 pm

Heh Ben, you can't. It's an invention of Fleet-Ops... And the WoW thing is just an single basic quest. The Narada if you bother to read the countdown comics, You'd know was originally a mining ship that was enhanced with a experimental romulan technology based on the borg. The big trick of it is, that as it fights and wins battles it incorporates debris from tis victims into its superstructure adding armor and arms to itself. Which is why its so big, just before it began it reign of terror it fought a klingon fleet of 30 some odd bird of prey's(K'vorts i'd guess), and won so it consumed them. Then in the movie it fought 47(lol) more klingon ships, magnifying itself further. Just before going back in time the Narada also fought the Ent-E and it was mostly a stalemate. Both damaging the other, but the E losing warp and the Narada fled.

Scimitar Vs Borg cube, If it can maintain a cloak, or use its thalaron weapon i'm pretty sure the first couple cubes it fought would be obliterated. Then they would adapt and that is that.

My own personal view is that In FO, the Scimitar would have like 4 maybe 5 pulse disrupers and a single burst fire torpedo tube. On the show the Tavara would have a couple dozen Beam and pulse disrupters with a couple of torpedo launchers...

posted on May 28th, 2009, 6:51 pm

Nope, was thinking of the Duras Sister's assault... though that wasn't fair either. But 3 K'vorts works nicely too 

The Duras sisters used a single D-12 Class BoP. The win was possible because of the thru-shield torps and because Riker was in command.

Ever noticed that, aside from Nemisis, whenever Picards Enterprise's get an ass-whopping or are destroyed, Riker is usually the one in command?