Steamrunner/Miranda shuffle

posted on April 16th, 2011, 5:49 pm

The Polaris isn't a canon ship, and was never on screen.

I listed the Niagara as one of my favorite ships. What benefits the tri-nacelled design gives is open to interpretation.

Seems i was mistaken. The Polaris was a kit bash.
We have seen the Miranda in the DS9 battles

http://www.ditl.org/gpgm/GMirPhaser1.jpg

Perhaps the model can be applied.

posted on April 16th, 2011, 6:02 pm

The Miranda will be in later, just only as a map unit rather than something still in use. Being over 100 years old, the few left are only found in scrapyards or private/pirate ownership.

Pirate NPC's with Mirandas?

[Tok`ra]

posted on April 17th, 2011, 4:36 am

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The artillery Steamrunner is an Armada tradition.

So is crap quality, and that one isnt being adhered to here.

At this point, the Devs have said that the miranda is too outdated to be used., but I would also like to see the steamrunner as more than artillery.  I think we need a new ship to be the artillery bucket . 

And just because its a tradition doesn't mean that FO can't break it.   ^-^

Centaur as arty then, adding it ingame makes as much sense as adding the miranda, less even as the centaur was a limited production run apparently, were the miranda was a spam unit.

Obereth is a canonfodder ship, but the New Orleans could be an artilary.  I don't think Optec would allow that though.

New Orleans was basicly a class designed to test newer torpedo launcher designs, so using it as an arty ship would make a great deal of sense since the Federation is denied it's torpedo cruisers allready in the name of dubious balance.

How about letting it start out as a Heavy Frigate with a possible conversion to Artillery ship (conversion ala the Newton style)

Buildable Steamrunner, 2nd strongest ship from basic fed yard.

Number of refits to arty is low, expenseve, and slow.

The Miranda will be in later, just only as a map unit rather than something still in use. Being over 100 years old, the few left are only found in scrapyards or private/pirate ownership.

Like the excelsior class, eh ?

And there's the Centaur being added, when its not much younger.....

posted on April 17th, 2011, 10:14 am

Build able Steamrunner, 2nd strongest ship from basic fed yard.

Number of refits to arty is low, expensive, and slow.

As people may have noticed i am a big fan of the Steamrunner, but building it from the basic federation yard with a possible artillery upgrade would pose serious balance issues.

Before the upgrade it would be close to an Akira clone. I think the warp-in is the right place for the Steamrunner especially since it is an older design (Nebula/Galaxy era)

posted on April 17th, 2011, 10:59 am

centaur was never said to be a limited production run in canon, i dont even know where you got this idea from. so it's perfectly possible there were many of them, just not as many as the miranda. they are probably slightly stronger than mirandas, being built from parts in the excelsior lineage. the centaurs in starfleet might have been on border patrol (like the centaur, we didnt see a lot of border patrols) or defending earth instead of mirandas.

new orleans wasnt said to be a testing ship for new lawnchairs, again where do you get this rubbish from?  there was next to nothing said about that ship in canon. so the devs can do anything they like with it without worrying about contradicting canon.

dont compare the excel and miranda, the miranda is older, being constitution era, and even connie refits were being mothballed when the excelsiors were first being made. probably the mirandas were easier/more cost effective to refit than the connies, so the limited funds/yards for extensive refits went to the mirandas and the connies went to scrap/civilian use. the excels were similar, just in a later era, they turned out to be a great general use ship, liked by many admirals (how many did we see flying them) and was probably easy to refit, thats why we see them in service still. many were in the dominion war, not all were sploded. no more were being built, but after the war, none were getting killed, and the upgrades they received for the war kept them useful. the mirandas were probably at their limit of refitting years before the dominion war and many died as fodder in that war. they were in a manpower shortage as well (said in canon) so the mirandas were probably first to be mothballed.

posted on April 17th, 2011, 12:20 pm

So is crap quality, and that one isnt being adhered to here.

That's not an Armada thing... nor is it relevent.

Centaur as arty then, adding it ingame makes as much sense as adding the miranda, less even as the centaur was a limited production run apparently, were the miranda was a spam unit.

New Orleans was basicly a class designed to test newer torpedo launcher designs, so using it as an arty ship would make a great deal of sense since the Federation is denied it's torpedo cruisers allready in the name of dubious balance.

And there's the Centaur being added, when its not much younger.....

You really love fanon, don't you? As Myles said, nothing in canon supports your claims.

posted on April 17th, 2011, 4:25 pm

I'm not usually a fan of ST Online ships but I actually don't hate this design. In fact, I quite like it . If I was a starship captain I'd happily fly this things around and scoff at anyone who tries boasting about how their shields are regenerative or how their hull features the latest in ablative technology because MY ship has it's own take on a Tholian web. Why is this useful? I don't know. Either way, I quite like it.

If it were my ship I'd put one massive torpedo launcher on the front and fill that ball with a billion torps, so the enemy knows exactly what's coming to them.

posted on April 17th, 2011, 4:40 pm

what is the point of a giant transparent ball? just plain weird.

posted on April 17th, 2011, 4:47 pm

Excuse to call it USS Ori?

posted on April 17th, 2011, 4:48 pm

hollow are the ori (ships)

posted on April 17th, 2011, 5:32 pm

snip

One word: yuk!!

posted on April 17th, 2011, 6:04 pm

hollow are the ori (ships)

Yeah Ori was exactly my first thought when i saw it....

on a side not where are all the internals from the fore portion? I mean the deflector usually isn't just an indent in the hull - it has parts and pieces and other parts making up the back portion. You cant honestly tell me all the front portion connects to the engineering section by those 2 thin connections. Its a completely impractical and illogical design.

posted on April 17th, 2011, 6:08 pm

The thick horizontal column inside the dome is probably where everything is, it seems to go straight through the middle and connects at the other side.

posted on April 17th, 2011, 6:26 pm

hehe, yeah I didn't think that one would go down to well

For me, like many ST:O ships it's much like Marmite: you either love it or you hate it!

If I had the skeleton of one of those and was given the funds to do whatever I wanted with it, then I'd actually turn it into a pleasure cruiser. The domed section would be a liveable habitat area with an unobstructed night sky and a spherical artificial gravity field to allow people to walk about at a comfortable gravity on what would appear to be a micro planet in the dome!

To such an end, I'd remove the rather bulky looking hulk in the middle of that dome and replace it with a sphere joined by a cylindrical axle at either end, to hold it in place. The sphere would then rotate on said axle and by some form of mechanical magic; would then generate gravity.

Hmm, I'd also have it so the dome could be made opaque, so if there was need for lots of confusing manoeuvring, then I could blot out the night sky so it doesn't confuse the residents. Afterall, no one would like to see the stars appear to dart across the sky chaotically!

Oh and it'd have phasers, quantum torpedoes and ablative doohickies, just for good measure 

posted on April 17th, 2011, 6:27 pm

Oh and it'd have phasers, quantum torpedoes and ablative doohickies, just for good measure 

Heh... just like any good 'cruise ship'?