Steamrunner/Miranda shuffle

[Andre27]

posted on April 16th, 2011, 4:46 pm

Last edited by Andre27 on April 16th, 2011, 4:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Current situation: Steamrunner is warp-in with Tricobalt torpedo.

Steamrunner class - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki classifies the Steamrunner as a heavy Frigate meaning it is a type of vessels which will be in the thick of the action.
As useful as the FO Steamrunner is, it does not fit the classification.

I would love to see the Steamrunner added as a regular warp-in with Phaser/torpedo weapons and stats between the Excelsior and the Nebula. Perhaps with a passive or special which will make it pretty sturdy for a ship its size.

To replace the Steamrunner as Torpedo vessel we can use the Miranda class.

With the proposed setup we get to see the Steamrunner more often and as a real fighting ship instead of long range bombardment-glass cannon AND we get the Miranda class which is a favorite amongst many.

Exact weapons/passives and specials can be adjusted to the preference of the mod team.
Thoughts/suggestions?

Edit: Cannon instead of canon.

[Tyler]

posted on April 16th, 2011, 4:49 pm

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The classification is decades out of date and doesn't account for future refits. A second varient that has a standard combat weapons array maybe, but the artillery Steamrunner is an Armada tradition.

Despite what MA says, I don't recall it ever firing Photons... unless I missed a frame of First Contact.

[Anonymous]

posted on April 16th, 2011, 4:53 pm

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At this point, the Devs have said that the miranda is too outdated to be used., but I would also like to see the steamrunner as more than artillery.  I think we need a new ship to be the artillery bucket .  

And just because its a tradition doesn't mean that FO can't break it.   ^-^

posted on April 16th, 2011, 4:54 pm

The classification is decades out of date and doesn't account for future refits. A second varient that has a standard combat weapons array maybe, but the artillery Steamrunner is an Armada tradition.

Despite what MA says, I don't recall it ever firing Photons... unless I missed a frame of First Contact.

IMO not a good one, but that's another debate.

I was thinking that since the romulan Generix Frigate refite will be going to way of the dinosaur perhaps we can apply these passives to the Steamrunner.

2x Projectile Weapons: Deals increased damage to structurally weak targets with a defense of 20 or less.

Suppressive Shielding: Decreases the damage taken from pulse weapons by 30 percent.

Since the Steamrunner is a warp-in the balance issues would be non-existant since the warp-in already restricts the number of vessels.

posted on April 16th, 2011, 5:03 pm

i like the strategy point of view where as concentrating on strategy specials. i would love to see the new orleans and the oberth as warp-ins.

posted on April 16th, 2011, 5:04 pm

new orleans is coming.

oberth is pretty old so i dunno about that.

posted on April 16th, 2011, 5:06 pm

i like the strategy point of view where as concentrating on strategy specials. i would love to see the new orleans and the oberth as warp-ins.

New Orleans is on route as stated.

I think the Oberth is on the list as map object.

posted on April 16th, 2011, 5:07 pm

Obereth is a canonfodder ship, but the New Orleans could be an artilary.   I don't think Optec would allow that though.

[Andre27]

posted on April 16th, 2011, 5:08 pm

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I don't think Optec would allow that though.

Why is that?

Edit: Another possible arty ship could be this one: Polaris Class - Specs

Or the Springfield Class: Ex Astris Scientia - Springfield Class Reconstruction

[Tyler]

posted on April 16th, 2011, 5:14 pm

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The New Orleans is one of his favorites, all the reason required.

Miranda is a map unit. That is all it will ever be; the devs apparently don't like even avatar specific special Warp-In refits.

I prefer artillery Steamrunner due to being easier to spot when at a distence, making identifying the arty ship simpler. However I did mention a seperate refit that would allow both roles, similar to the Nebula Class varients.

Edit: Another possible arty ship could be this one: Polaris Class - Specs

Unlikely, it looks around Miranda age at least.

posted on April 16th, 2011, 5:17 pm

I prefer artillery Steamrunner due to being easier to spot when at a distence, making identifying the arty ship simpler. However I did mention a seperate refit that would allow both roles, similar to the Nebula Class varients.

How about letting it start out as a Heavy Frigate with a possible conversion to Artillery ship (conversion ala the Newton style)

posted on April 16th, 2011, 5:19 pm

I could live with that, probably with a research requirement or a number limit.

posted on April 16th, 2011, 5:21 pm

How about letting it start out as a Heavy Frigate with a possible conversion to Artillery ship (conversion ala the Newton style)

I would like that.  Or even have the artillery upgrade be an avatar specific feature.

[Andre27]

posted on April 16th, 2011, 5:26 pm

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Any other suggestions to improve upon the original idea?

Regarding the Polaris, it was shown several times in the DS9 battles so it could be a possible space frame.

What do you think of this design: Niagara Class - Specs
Fielded shortly after the Ambassador and multiple nacelles which is a nice detail.

posted on April 16th, 2011, 5:38 pm

The Polaris isn't a canon ship, and was never on screen.

I listed the Niagara as one of my favorite ships. What benefits the tri-nacelled design gives is open to interpretation.