Special energy restoration at yards

posted on March 2nd, 2011, 6:02 pm

It exists, and is a Federation ability. Therefore, the Federation has an energy regenerator.

posted on March 2nd, 2011, 6:55 pm

Proxy yarding is already a topic people complain about, with an ability to restore specials it would even get more powerful.

posted on March 2nd, 2011, 9:37 pm

Proxy yarding is already a topic people complain about, with an ability to restore specials it would even get more powerful.

That's why i proposed to make the special energy restoration a researchable upgrade for each yard comparable to the newton upgrades.

posted on March 2nd, 2011, 10:28 pm

as a researchable thing it could be balanced maybe.

posted on March 2nd, 2011, 10:29 pm

Thats a HORRIBLE idea, attacking proxy yards and exansions would become too costly for anyone, and would be VERY OP for romulans,You could sent a massive fleet and likely lose everything to a smaller fleet because of the energy recharging constantly and being able to keep using specials.

posted on March 2nd, 2011, 10:30 pm

I also tend to the opinion that it's a nice Romulan special thing to reload the energy. Since their ships are based on strong SPW it also fits. I find it always a bit problematic to spread unique aspects of one race to all the others.
However, one idea that comes to my mind: how about something like a torpedo depot(or torpedo freighter, stuff like that) for Klingons, where you get a SPW energy decrease(either whole spw or better regeneration) only for KVort, Vorcha, Martok KBQ, Sang and Vutpa - so all the spw that are some kind of torpedo .

posted on March 2nd, 2011, 10:41 pm

Great idea! I like the K'Vort siltent torp recharge with a support-ship from the back. So if you wield such a supporter you can fire with your K'Vorts thos sneaky torps. That would be nice, because I rather see this special only sometimes and it would be cool too see it like general chang used to use it.

It must be outbalanced, sure. You could wield 10 K'Vorts and do a constant "fire under cover" with them to wipe out enemy fleets in no time, but for that, you have
a) cloak detection
b) you must use the supporter in open field (destroy it and its gone)

Would be a nice countermeasurement to the dominion arty.

posted on March 3rd, 2011, 2:11 am

Ok... my 2 cents worth - the current suggestion wants to use shipyards to recharge energy, and I agree its too imbalancing.... However the idea has some merit too - perhaps a map object like DS9 could serve as a facility that does repair and energy recharge. Provided that the facility could be used by all players much like the planned NPC interactions and Mercenary stuff.

posted on March 3rd, 2011, 2:24 am

Thats a HORRIBLE idea, attacking proxy yards and exansions would become too costly for anyone, and would be VERY OP for romulans,You could sent a massive fleet and likely lose everything to a smaller fleet because of the energy recharging constantly and being able to keep using specials.

Why doesn't anybody read.

In response to a previous comment about the Romulans becoming OP it was already proposed that the upgrade would not be available for the Romulans because they already have special energy restoration.

With the special restoration being an upgrade newton style for the yards and some tweaking for the restoration rate, there is no reason for special energy restoration at a yard to become OP

posted on March 3rd, 2011, 3:17 am

Actually it would be even at slow rates it would really op for any race

posted on March 3rd, 2011, 12:07 pm

Actually it would be even at slow rates it would really op for any race

So you consider the specials from the Norway, C11 and Romulan singularity all OP? 

How about shield restoring specials, are those OP as well?

To be honest you're going to need something better than a claim of being OP. Several possible tweaks have already been proposed and a new feature does not mean its auto-OP

posted on March 3rd, 2011, 1:12 pm

i guess the main opposition to this being available from the start is that a yard adds a lot of staying power to an area, really cementing your position there. Its hard to clear a yard with defending ships. This would make yards even stronger.

If an expensive refit is needed then its a possibility, maybe if the refit cost the same as a torp turret, and has similar effect. That way if u have lots of supports, its better to get the refit than make a turret.

posted on March 3rd, 2011, 1:17 pm

So you consider the specials from the Norway, C11 and Romulan singularity all OP? 

How about shield restoring specials, are those OP as well?

To be honest you're going to need something better than a claim of being OP. Several possible tweaks have already been proposed and a new feature does not mean its auto-OP

In fact, if you recall, the C-11 and Norway had to be rebalanced for just that very reason.

posted on March 3rd, 2011, 1:49 pm

In fact, if you recall, the C-11 and Norway had to be rebalanced for just that very reason.

Yes i remember, but it also shows that the idea by itself isn't OP. It only means it needs to be tweaked.

If anything it suggests that special energy based weapons by itself may be OP. Perhaps special energy should be removed and the specials be placed on timers much as the Descent shield restore.

posted on March 3rd, 2011, 2:12 pm

Why doesn't anybody read.

In response to a previous comment about the Romulans becoming OP it was already proposed that the upgrade would not be available for the Romulans because they already have special energy restoration.

With the special restoration being an upgrade newton style for the yards and some tweaking for the restoration rate, there is no reason for special energy restoration at a yard to become OP

Well if you had bothered to read my post properly you would have noticed i was speaking about all races the romulans were just an example, all races have alot of good specials and being able to recharge any on them so quickly would be insane by adding this you would be turning fleet ops gameplay into something that looks more like the a2 gameplay.