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posted on January 6th, 2012, 12:58 pm
well on a side note ....the delta flyer could work as some kinda borg mix tech scout as was mentioned 

posted on January 6th, 2012, 1:07 pm
The Flyer does seem to be at a similar size to the Venture Class, the version from Insurrection at least. Probably more durable with better sensors.
posted on January 6th, 2012, 3:03 pm
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Another option would be to have the Danube spawned or buildable (i prefer the latter) from the DS9 station which will be added as map object in the future.
Perhaps defending commercial mining stations. The Danube were workhorses so doubtfully they'd contain classified tech so sales to 3rd parties would be possible.
For the Delta Flyer the mixed tech is one option. Another option is gathering supplies from planets when those are reintroduced and then there are the options previously mentioned and debated.
Perhaps defending commercial mining stations. The Danube were workhorses so doubtfully they'd contain classified tech so sales to 3rd parties would be possible.
For the Delta Flyer the mixed tech is one option. Another option is gathering supplies from planets when those are reintroduced and then there are the options previously mentioned and debated.
posted on January 6th, 2012, 7:13 pm
While you feel that the context I quoted you in earlier was incorrect, it wasn't; you were saying that the Danube wouldn't effect the balance. Now, when you consider how easily, the balance in FO shifts with a new addition, that makes a salient and substantial point against the existence of an extraneous small ship: namely, that it is extraneous.
I wouldn't mind DS9 building Danubes... provided that it doesn't interfere with bigger and better things.
I wouldn't mind DS9 building Danubes... provided that it doesn't interfere with bigger and better things.
posted on January 6th, 2012, 8:14 pm
Redshirt wrote:While you feel that the context I quoted you in earlier was incorrect, it wasn't; you were saying that the Danube wouldn't effect the balance. Now, when you consider how easily, the balance in FO shifts with a new addition, that makes a salient and substantial point against the existence of an extraneous small ship: namely, that it is extraneous.
I wouldn't mind DS9 building Danubes... provided that it doesn't interfere with bigger and better things.
First the Danube is insignificant and now it's the sole thing which tips the balance in favor of the federation. Gotta give you credits for trying all angles.
It's not going to fly though.
Even at best the Danube will be a low level addition, a generalist which may certainly be useful but unless you make it a mini defiant it will not be a game breaker. It's reaching, trying for yet another argument against.
In the lower range where Runabouts would be used other races have significant advantages and breaking the balance with a small vessel between a scout and saber could, barring extreme stats, not be further from the truth.
Contrary what you seem to think, this section is for ideas and suggestions. We can briefly discuss pro/con but any balance discussion before a unit/feature is introduced is foolish.
I can see usage for Danube style vessels as adaptable vessels. Refit for ECM, refit for supply gathering, refit for looting enemy miners, refit for scouting (little more durable, no cloak detect?)
So far all I've seen from you is, forgive my language, bitching about shuttles and a proposed reduction in hit rate for beam weapons solely because you believe it'll make FO too similar to Star Wars. If you feel that way, say so in your first post and from that point forward either shut up or try to make constructive posts. All I've seen here is complaining and not one real constructive post.
posted on January 6th, 2012, 8:31 pm
maybe a way to introduce the danube without much effort/balancing, is to have some avatars build ventures as scouts, and others build danubes as scouts. if the danube gets the same stats as the venture then balance will be unaffected.
or if the danube was defensively stronger it could be a perk for one avatar.
or if the danube was defensively stronger it could be a perk for one avatar.
posted on January 6th, 2012, 8:51 pm
Myles wrote:maybe a way to introduce the danube without much effort/balancing, is to have some avatars build ventures as scouts, and others build danubes as scouts. if the danube gets the same stats as the venture then balance will be unaffected.
or if the danube was defensively stronger it could be a perk for one avatar.
The third federation avatar is going to be star fleet intelligence. Perhaps the more capable Danube can replace the Venture. Remote sensors and cloak detect? Or that USS incursion device.
posted on January 6th, 2012, 9:05 pm
not sure if it should be far ahead of the venture in usefullness, if SFI were gonna get a clever ship design, i'd want it to be a full starship with full starship costs.
i'd just see a danube as having stronger shields than a venture, so it could take a little more beating. but might be slower.
i'd just see a danube as having stronger shields than a venture, so it could take a little more beating. but might be slower.
posted on January 6th, 2012, 10:19 pm
this makes sense to mei'd just see a danube as having stronger shields than a venture, so it could take a little more beating. but might be slower.

posted on January 7th, 2012, 12:38 pm
But what is the point of a slow scout?
It's not like it's gonna take that much more punishment than the Venture and it'd definitely gonna spend more time as the centre of attention if they stray into a hostile ship. One that's actually designed for combat.
It's not like it's gonna take that much more punishment than the Venture and it'd definitely gonna spend more time as the centre of attention if they stray into a hostile ship. One that's actually designed for combat.
posted on January 7th, 2012, 1:03 pm
well not a slow scout ....slower scout ....and your right it would "not take much more punishment than the Venture" but a bit more yes .... like most mix tech it would have a slight change in stats but thats about it.
posted on January 7th, 2012, 1:33 pm
if we wanna be silly with the danube then remember the ep where the changeling fiddled with one and made it capable of taking a direct hit from the defiant's weapons.
i thought it was really really stupid. so maybe a danube could be mixed tech with dominion, and have a scaled down version of that as a special weapon. reinforces shields for x seconds but reduces movement speed and sensors. also the ship is now vulnerable to constructor tractor beaming, so that this pumped up runabout can't just fly anywhere without thought.
the full canon modifications could easily have been very damaging to the runabout, the changeling was about ram his runabout bomb into a sun anyway, so i don't think he cared if he left it damaged by his modding.
i thought it was really really stupid. so maybe a danube could be mixed tech with dominion, and have a scaled down version of that as a special weapon. reinforces shields for x seconds but reduces movement speed and sensors. also the ship is now vulnerable to constructor tractor beaming, so that this pumped up runabout can't just fly anywhere without thought.
the full canon modifications could easily have been very damaging to the runabout, the changeling was about ram his runabout bomb into a sun anyway, so i don't think he cared if he left it damaged by his modding.
posted on January 7th, 2012, 1:51 pm
I had forgotten about that episode. Dominion/federation mixed tech Danube never occurred to me before now. Interesting idea.
posted on June 6th, 2012, 9:56 pm
New Forum, new profile options.
This was the topic in which i was most active. Since we had this discussion/debate a lot of info has been released about the new patch.
With a defensive profile vessel in the mix, shuttles/Runabouts/Delta Flyer could become viable in mixed fleets.
This was the topic in which i was most active. Since we had this discussion/debate a lot of info has been released about the new patch.
With a defensive profile vessel in the mix, shuttles/Runabouts/Delta Flyer could become viable in mixed fleets.
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