Saber.

posted on September 10th, 2010, 8:39 pm

Well, i had two games tonight playing as Feds trying out the Sabre strategy and trying for double yards.  I will admin i'm a little drunk, but on both occasions while I managed to get SFC built i failed in getting my expansion up early and failed to get two yards.  All i can say is the sabers did ok, but didn't perform as well as i hoped, but there again, i did not reach any significant mass.

On a side note, out team won both games... in your face Drrrrr 

posted on September 10th, 2010, 8:41 pm

Fed-Klingon vs Rom-Dom...not that difficult if you ask me...

posted on September 10th, 2010, 8:47 pm

well double yarding sabres means you should not build the research stations lol.

make 2 yards at start at your base. after some sabres are done u can go for the researches and sfc.

u can also expand before researches.

having an expansion will mean u have loads of res as double yarding sabres is supported by 1 moon pair lol.

posted on September 10th, 2010, 8:51 pm

I couldn't resist rushing for SFC.  Those juicy warp-ins just have me getting soooo hot!

posted on September 10th, 2010, 9:27 pm

I couldn't resist rushing for SFC.  Those juicy warp-ins just have me getting soooo hot!

so there we got the reason why some guys think warp in is op 

posted on September 10th, 2010, 9:32 pm

well double yarding sabres means you should not build the research stations lol.

I couldn't resist rushing for SFC.  Those juicy warp-ins just have me getting soooo hot!

Yeah... seems people really don't get that  . It's EITHER Warp-In OR Saber Spam, not both. I've seen people try that with trying to make loads of support vessels, and at the same time, trying to tech up to Warp In. Just doesn't work 

posted on September 12th, 2010, 5:52 pm

plus the monsoon is short ranged, turn on hyper impulse and sabre's speed climbs to only 10 short of monsoon, and negates the monsoon's passive by being better against short ranged ships.

The Monsoon takes your Saber's phaser power, and cuts it in half. The Saber may take somewhat reduced damage from the Monsoon, but the Monsoon has all no-miss weaponry (so Saber ECM is not going to help you.) The Monsoon is a counter to Sabers, not the other way around. Proximity torpedo is just icing on the tasty countering cake.
You could kite the Monsoons a little bit, but you won't be able to destroy a Monsoon for a while so your mining is as good as dead (and Monsoons cut in half the phaser platform's damage, so they can kill your miners before taking major damage.)

posted on September 12th, 2010, 6:04 pm

The Monsoon takes your Saber's phaser power, and cuts it in half. The Saber may take somewhat reduced damage from the Monsoon, but the Monsoon has all no-miss weaponry (so Saber ECM is not going to help you.) The Monsoon is a counter to Sabers, not the other way around. Proximity torpedo is just icing on the tasty countering cake.
You could kite the Monsoons a little bit, but you won't be able to destroy a Monsoon for a while so your mining is as good as dead (and Monsoons cut in half the phaser platform's damage, so they can kill your miners before taking major damage.)

reread my post, i never said sabres counter monsoons. i said that the hyper-impulse special brings the sabre back into the competition by stopping the monsoon from countering the sabres. if you go for sabre spam, and the enemy goes for monsoon spam you should get higher numbers very fast, as u dont need to buy starfleet engineering station. so u can afford more ships, earlier too. and u will get hyper-impulsedone before they can attack you.

if they harass u, u can harass them too. the sabre has long range so it can sit outside range of defences and pick off miners. and good speed means retreating is easy.

and yes u can kite with the sabres, the monsoons are only 10 speed units faster. which isnt that much. the sabres can kite for ages.

btw hyper impulse reduces damage from short range attackers by 25% thats a nice figure. the 50% from HDSG may be better, but the number of sabres will be greater.

sabre spam can hold off monsoons, monsoons dont counter them that well.

posted on September 12th, 2010, 6:19 pm

Even tho the Monsoons will do less to Sabers, they still take half damage from them. Imagine the number of sabers you have, then cut that number in half. Kiting doesn't work so well when your damage is cut in half. Now imagine the number of Monsoons, and cut that by one fourth. You should now see more Monsoons than Sabers. A lot more if the Monsoons get into your mining (since they're not firing on your Sabers, they do full damage.) Sabers are not brought back into competition, as the Monsoon payer can double yard spam too, and proximity torpedo on a 12 or 15 defense small ship is nothing to laugh at just because you can reduce damage by a fourth.

You didn't specifically say they countered, but you implied that Saber spamming is a viable strategy against Monsoon spamming. Monsoons counter Sabers unless you happen to have super duper impossibly good microing skills to kite with. The Monsoons will catch up quickly, and they will fire Proximity torpedoes even before they come into short range (Proxy torps are medium range.)

Well, Sabers can harass, but they don't do it nearly as well as Monsoons. The Monsoons will get half damage from phaser platforms, while Sabers will take full. Sabers may be able to keep out of range of a phaser platform, but the miners could be retreated to behind the platform.

posted on September 12th, 2010, 8:02 pm

Even tho the Monsoons will do less to Sabers, they still take half damage from them. Imagine the number of sabers you have, then cut that number in half. Kiting doesn't work so well when your damage is cut in half. Now imagine the number of Monsoons, and cut that by one fourth. You should now see more Monsoons than Sabers. A lot more if the Monsoons get into your mining (since they're not firing on your Sabers, they do full damage.) Sabers are not brought back into competition, as the Monsoon payer can double yard spam too, and proximity torpedo on a 12 or 15 defense small ship is nothing to laugh at just because you can reduce damage by a fourth.

You didn't specifically say they countered, but you implied that Saber spamming is a viable strategy against Monsoon spamming. Monsoons counter Sabers unless you happen to have super duper impossibly good microing skills to kite with. The Monsoons will catch up quickly, and they will fire Proximity torpedoes even before they come into short range (Proxy torps are medium range.)

Well, Sabers can harass, but they don't do it nearly as well as Monsoons. The Monsoons will get half damage from phaser platforms, while Sabers will take full. Sabers may be able to keep out of range of a phaser platform, but the miners could be retreated to behind the platform.

i think you are overestimating the power of the monsoon. they wont win as easy as you think. the battle will be close.

most players would probably fire all their prox torps at once. killing 1 sabre. for triple yard sabres that's hardly a loss

to split the torps so that no firepower is wasted requires lots of micro.

also u underestimate the sheer numbers of sabres u can pump out. once u get your exp up u could even triple yard if u wanted to be silly lol.

and if your enemy monsoon spammed you wouldnt put up phaser platforms, u would put up pulse platforms, which do base damage against monsoons, and receive half damage from them. and sabre spam being so dirt cheap you could put up a few pulse platforms around each moon. i wouldnt feel so dirty putting up pulse plats.

i'd like to test this. i think the fight would be close. but then again i wouldnt triple yard spam. i would double yard, then go for bigger ships.

also kiting mons with sabres is easy. the range difference is massive, and the monsoons are only 10 faster. which means by the time they get in range, your sabres are back at the starbase.

posted on September 19th, 2010, 10:07 pm

What dom has said is right, you can do sfc and saber, you have to go saber saber saber, then when you get money then you get your chassis one and pump out some better ships, and dont get your sfc till you have akiras

posted on September 20th, 2010, 9:37 am

What dom has said is right, you can do sfc and saber, you have to go saber saber saber, then when you get money then you get your chassis one and pump out some better ships, and dont get your sfc till you have akiras

typo?