Replacing Decent Class

posted on May 18th, 2006, 3:30 am

the d'diredex is a close match with the sovie, it's also alot bigger than sovie, so we can assume it's firepower is greater

not is not necceraly true because for all the warbirds "size" most of it is attually empty space in the end a galaxy class star ship is bigger in the tonnage department by about 180 thousand tons by the size logic the galxie sould out gun the sovie but it doesn't i think with its advanced technology i think it out stips the warbird.

[Cpt Ryan]

posted on May 18th, 2006, 6:24 pm

Last edited by Cpt Ryan on May 18th, 2006, 6:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.

man i still cant believe you people think that a warbird can live with a sovie.

the difference between a sovie and neghvar is also minor. so much so that in a battle i rekon the sovie would smash it because of its agility (something the negh'var clearly lacks)

posted on May 18th, 2006, 8:49 pm

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man i still cant believe you people think that a warbird can live with a sovie.

the difference between a sovie and neghvar is also minor. so much so that in a battle i rekon the sovie would smash it because of its agility (something the negh'var clearly lacks)

NeghVar would loose against a sovie? Please be real, the firepower it posseses is greater than sovies, so are the shields. Agility doesnt come into play that much when u go battleship vs battleship, but with smaller ships its much more important Its not like NeghVar is gonna miss the sovie with its torps

posted on May 18th, 2006, 10:37 pm

agility comes into play whatever the type of ships, what captain in their right mind is going to go head to head with say... a borg cube. it does not have better shields, as fed shield tech is pretty much better than the klingon's. in the weapons department :
negh'var : 2x type 18 distruptors = probs around the equivlent of quantums
18x type 12 disruptors = equivlent to type X phaser array
8x tripe-fire torpedo tube = kinda lacking behind the fed's burst-fire tube
combined firepower = 5,060
shield power = 800
agility rating = 870

Sovie: 16x type XII phaser array = starbase equivlent phasers (theres no such thing as tpe XIII that was just for SFC).
1x rapid-fire quantum turret = dont think there is any other torpedo firing system in trek that can match this yet.
4x type 4 burst-fire tube = the finest in fed burst-fire tech
4x standard photon tube = your standard photon thrower.
combined firepower = 7,600
shield power = 2125
agility rating = 4,000

think the stats speak for themselves.

posted on May 18th, 2006, 11:02 pm

This is from ditl?

I do not acknowledge these results lol, imo NeghVar is stronger than sovie. Doesnt matter what u show me, Ill always think that

posted on May 18th, 2006, 11:54 pm

yep those were from ditl.org, as they get compile those stats in many ways like from offical manuals and from looking at the shows/movies themselves id say they were pretty cannon.

posted on May 19th, 2006, 1:57 am

The Neg'Vhar is stronger than the sovy- BUT its also less manuveurable and cant make all those fancy beams come out of the deflector dish

posted on May 19th, 2006, 8:12 am

whoa...
WHAT!
The Neg'Var just can't be a match for the Sov.
The Klingons are always in a state war, the only way they could pack that ship with the tech needed to match a Sovereign is if they expanded to the size of the Federation AND turned over massive funding to research. They could pack it with planetary defence scale weapons, but even then the Sov would beat it down.
I've been thinking about the D'deridex and Valdore class Warbirds.
I think the Valdore has to be powered by a blackhole, like the other Warbirds. Its faster because its newer, but must rely on much of the same technology.
now
the D'deridex class is big enough, so that when the Roms get more of a handle on the Omega Particle, they could refit it with the new power system = Warbirds that can take a Sov down. But as it stands, even the Valdore would have serious issues with the Sovereign. Valdore is built to be faster and cheaper than the D'deridex class, built after the Dominion war. But I don't think it can stand toe to toe with the Sov.

and the Neg'Var... is just a big ship. It doesn't seem special in any other respect. The Defiant tore its soul out and laughed at it. The Sovereign is a capital ship made after the lessons of the Defiant as a Borg killer. And when you drop a super-cruiser to take a Cube... you know they're just getting started.

posted on May 19th, 2006, 11:21 am

Yep sovie is the strongest ship in the galaxy, followed closely by the defiant. Borg cube, tactical cube, Dominion dreadgnought.......
.....all crushed by the power of the sovereigns quatum burst alone




It really doesnt matter what info u show me, for me a NeghVar will always beat the sovie 1on1 as much because of the power of its massive weapon systems as the fact that klingons are already fanatical on a bop - imagine what honour is for them to serve on the flagship of the empire<---- they would fight like beserkers



Oh and aboot Defiant kicking NeghVars arse, that was bullcrap and u know it, it only did that because that **** Sisqo cannot die. If u remember he also single handlely destroyed an entire Dominion fleet or rather made them vanish :S


Aboot the D'deridex, its kind of strange in some episodes its strong as ****(like when 1 of them destroyed DS9 with a couple of shots :S - I know it cought them by suprise but still :S) and in others its quite weak(like in that last push against the dominion, if u remember Rommies's flank crumbled first and also they suffered massive losses :S)

posted on May 19th, 2006, 6:06 pm

eheh
yeah,
I know its a bunch of crap, though I still think the Sov would come out on top.
I don't think the D'deridex was built for grouped strikes, and I think they'd naturually be pretty poor at it. If you give it enough time to charge up (like rotating around DS9 forever) it'll hurt you. But grouping them together is just a poor idea.
I think the Klingons would just be better at building and using smaller ships. And it really shows with the Vor'Cha being smaller than a galaxy, but could wreck it. I think the Vor'Cha is really underrated. I just don't dig the Negh'Var because it seems really strange to produce a fleet level battleship from an empire thats on it knees as far as resources, and has enemies all around who would love to take that many Klingons down with one go.

we should replace the Descent with V'ger

posted on May 21st, 2006, 1:41 am

**** no would a sovie beat the **** neg'var

it just wouldnt happen the Negvars advanced photons are ******* powerful let alone the disruptors remember the ones it uses on ds9 from the pods those things are ******* murder

add to that the shields are ******* way stronger than a sovvies

i tested this earlier

i played a BC game with the Kobyashi maru mod and **** a negvar rapes the sovy
**** i can beat three with my one negvar lol


as for cannon the sovvy is good but sorry when have u seen it not commanded by picard if u had u would see them fall like flies its only cause u see the cast that cant die on it same as the defiant took the entire show for it to be ******* destroyed

come on like none of the sites on the web can be reliable either its all speculation honestly there is nothing better than the negvar in the alpha quad bar probs the SUper duper Dominion BB other than that sorry sovvy has no chance u claim its agile it cant move for **** **** the negvar would still hit every shot and it would come down to raw firepower Negvar everytime

and asuming that klingon tech is worse than federations especially the weapons is just ******* stupid the whole race is dedicated to weapons research if anything klingon weapons are More powerful than feds the only weapon feds have better than them is the quantum launcher which is pretty sick

but then again the sovvy just isnt strong im sorry those things just look too vunerable come on u cant tell me a klingon commander on a NEGVAr wouldnt just cloak sneak right up behind and just fire everything at one of the Nacells ? result game over probably cause a warp core breach

**** if i was the commander id hit the impulse engines take em out and **** u could toy with the thing

posted on May 21st, 2006, 8:10 am

**** no would a sovie beat the **** neg'var

it just wouldnt happen the Negvars advanced photons are ******* powerful let alone the disruptors remember the ones it uses on ds9 from the pods those things are ******* murder

add to that the shields are ******* way stronger than a sovvies

i tested this earlier

i played a BC game with the Kobyashi maru mod and **** a negvar rapes the sovy
**** i can beat three with my one negvar lol


as for cannon the sovvy is good but sorry when have u seen it not commanded by picard if u had u would see them fall like flies its only cause u see the cast that cant die on it same as the defiant took the entire show for it to be ******* destroyed

come on like none of the sites on the web can be reliable either its all speculation honestly there is nothing better than the negvar in the alpha quad bar probs the SUper duper Dominion BB other than that sorry sovvy has no chance u claim its agile it cant move for **** **** the negvar would still hit every shot and it would come down to raw firepower Negvar everytime

and asuming that klingon tech is worse than federations especially the weapons is just ******* stupid the whole race is dedicated to weapons research if anything klingon weapons are More powerful than feds the only weapon feds have better than them is the quantum launcher which is pretty sick

but then again the sovvy just isnt strong im sorry those things just look too vunerable come on u cant tell me a klingon commander on a NEGVAr wouldnt just cloak sneak right up behind and just fire everything at one of the Nacells ? result game over probably cause a warp core breach

**** if i was the commander id hit the impulse engines take em out and **** u could toy with the thing cool.gif

Good post
Also I think its important to mention the fanticism of the klingons, as I said b4 they would go beserk for a chance to kill the flagship of the federation That has to be like the highest honor one can achieve without actually having to kill the Borg cube

posted on May 21st, 2006, 10:10 am

though they are allies........again... ^_^

posted on May 21st, 2006, 10:15 am

though they are allies........again... happy.gif

Im sure klingons are still ****** at the feds and plus that alliance cant last

posted on May 21st, 2006, 3:21 pm

why would they still be ****** at the feds? the whole cardassian thing was considered history during the dominion war.