Nova refit at tier 3 Eraudi Yard

posted on October 31st, 2011, 10:49 am

  You don't think even as a mixed tech ship it could find a way into the tree?

all things can be "balanced" by making them ridiculously expensive, but that's a boring way of balancing. the ship will either get used too much or used too little due to the tech up costs, its a real balancing act. so yes it could be balanced as not to be op, but it wouldnt really be fun like that imo.

130 Speed could work,but it'd be slaughtered by Shrikes.

i think that would be fine. shrikes arent exactly durable, to keep shrikes alive to late game is something incredible. plus other ships would slaughter shrikes back.

Many of the counters are available at lower tiers and will swarm the map by the time the NR comes into play.

that is assuming a person rushes for nr, which doesnt need to be the case. rushing to something chassis 3 is practically impossible. and if the person techs up without rushing then the smaller pulse armed ships that can hurt the nr in any way would die fast to bigger fed ships.

The decloak advantage is also not to sneeze at

it isnt, i agreed earlier that kvorts decloaking could probably get 1 kill, but then the speed difference will show, the novas will run off and the kvorts wont get any more kills. and the faster ships are far lower tech and weaker than chassis 3.

canaveral is only a little slower and can kite it for some time at long range with quantum pulses.

the pulse weapon has a restricted firing arc to prevent kiting. only the beam phaser shoots back. plus the canav has a speed of 100, which is nowhere even close to 140. its slower than an akira, same speed as the phalanx battleship, same speed as qawduj and vorcha. canav isnt even in the same race as the nova.

posted on October 31st, 2011, 6:09 pm

Cardassian Dreadnought - Specs

Interesting... I wonder where the Cards got those torps from when their usual ships don't use torp weaponry at all implying that torpedo research is not on high priority within the Union. I guess it's just another Voyager mistake we have to deal with .

posted on October 31st, 2011, 6:51 pm

Interesting... I wonder where the Cards got those torps from when their usual ships don't use torp weaponry at all implying that torpedo research is not on high priority within the Union. I guess it's just another Voyager mistake we have to deal with .

Photon torpedoes were in use in the 22nd century so it is to be expected that the cardassians got their hands on them. Quantums are only mentioned in the dreadnought episode for the spoons.

It is interesting to see that the spoons never used torpedoes in any of the huge DS9 battles. Probably production crew being lazy.

Back to the nova refit though.

posted on October 31st, 2011, 9:59 pm

They had spiral wave disruptors which seemed to get the job done as well . Instead of a torp launcher the Galor simply uses some giant beam emitter - should save room inside the vessel, so not that bad.

posted on October 31st, 2011, 10:03 pm

They had spiral wave disruptors which seemed to get the job done as well . Instead of a torp launcher the Galor simply uses some giant beam emitter - should save room inside the vessel, so not that bad.

that giant LAZOR on the galor was crazy in some eps and puny in others.

by the last ep of ds9 it was one shotting bugs and breen ships. pwnage.

posted on November 1st, 2011, 1:30 am

that giant LAZOR on the galor was crazy in some eps and puny in others.

by the last ep of ds9 it was one shotting bugs and breen ships. pwnage.

May have something to do with knowing their shield frequencies and the weaknesses of the bug :p
The Galor got owned in The Wounded (episode) - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki

Though not mentioned by name it was a ship with 600 crew and the spoons were smart enough to go after a nebula with their top-line vessels.

posted on November 1st, 2011, 2:17 am

Talking about the Nova here, fellas

posted on November 1st, 2011, 10:17 am

May have something to do with knowing their shield frequencies and the weaknesses of the bug :p
The Galor got owned in The Wounded (episode) - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki

that was my point, the galor changed in strength wildly. it got pwned in some eps and was dishing out pwnage in ds9 finale. why would they need to know the shield freqs of the bugs? that doesnt give them any advantage as a fleet. plus why would they be given such info from the jemhadar or breen. neither of them truly trusted the cardies, especially since damar started his rebellion. no the super lazor was just ridiculously op in that ep to make it look like the cardies flip flop was making a huge impact.

Talking about the Nova here, fellas

its his own thread, if he's happy to change the topic then i dont see any complaints.

posted on November 1st, 2011, 11:31 am

Talking about the Nova here, fellas

Indeed although it was a fun little sidetrack let's get back on topic.

A speed reduction for the Nova refit from 140 to 130 has been proposed to allow its counters to catch up to it.
Any other ideas to reduce the supership status if the NR would be made available in tier 3 eraudi?

posted on November 1st, 2011, 5:00 pm

How about a Nova speed reduction from 140 to 100 for ALL but 1 of the nova refits you get. Shure it  will  be a drastic reduction but will  give a  weak spot in the ships  stats. 

posted on November 1st, 2011, 8:13 pm

I think a more sensible reduction to 130 (or 120, which would be easier to balance if more mundane) for all refits would work. Maybe all that weaponry and shielding needs power that can no longer go to the engines. Would still be pretty fast, but not a super-speedster.

posted on November 1st, 2011, 8:27 pm

From 140 to 100? That's not only drastic, but absolutely lethal.

It is a vessel that is weak to pulse weapons and has a fairly weak defense status.
With a speed reduction to 100 it could not keep up with the fleet it's supposed to support, almost all klingon/romulan and dominion ships out-speed it.

It would go from overpowered/overused with 140 speed to canon flodder/ never used with 100 speed.
Just about the only ships which are lower in speed are battleships. Heck with 100 speed even a B5 carrier could keep up with it.

Did i mention i think it's a bad idea?

For a buildable nova refit a reduction to 130 is the most in reduction it can take and not be slaughtered by anything out there.

posted on November 1st, 2011, 9:33 pm

weak defence? its the same as an akira. its defence is medium.

posted on November 1st, 2011, 10:12 pm

weak defence? its the same as an akira. its defence is medium.

But extra damage from pulses which are abundant so the defenses are to be considered weak.
The reason why the Akira can hold its own is because it has defense paterns and no direct weakness against a particular type of weapons.

posted on November 1st, 2011, 10:37 pm

But extra damage from pulses which are abundant so the defenses are to be considered weak.
The reason why the Akira can hold its own is because it has defense paterns and no direct weakness against a particular type of weapons.

thats a passive consideration, pulses are not really more common than any other weapon type. passives change things, so talking about base defence doesnt consider passives. otherwise all large sized ships are "weak" because of the abundance of torp loaded ships. or any ship with a passive weakness is weak. obviously the nr passive makes it weaker to pulses, just like adai is weak to supports, every race has a support ship, so are all adai ships weak? course not, they have differing defence capabilities, but are weak when attacked by their counter. you cant consider something weak just cos it has a passive weakness.

the akira special makes it a tank, but on its own it has a medium defence, just like the nr.