New Klingon Battleship.

posted on October 19th, 2010, 11:00 pm

I was also thinking that the larger vessels like the neghvar also act as troopships, and that the size is so they can have occupying garrisons at the ready for all those conquered planets.

posted on October 20th, 2010, 12:54 am

Instead of a higher end battleship (better stats than Negh'Var) i would like to see a return of that lower end Klingon battleship from the missions (Battleship with no specials, Klingon don't need no stinking specials)

posted on October 20th, 2010, 1:03 am

All ships have specials most Klingon have specals that deal direct damage though. I also dont think the Klingon need any more ships, Klingons are not designed to have a lot of variety during the late game.

posted on October 20th, 2010, 1:12 am

All ships have specials most Klingon have specals that deal direct damage though. I also dont think the Klingon need any more ships, Klingons are not designed to have a lot of variety during the late game.

Well perhaps this one just for laughs D'tai Class - Specs

posted on October 20th, 2010, 1:17 am

If we added that ship (which is longer than a Galaxy), where would it go? Especially considering DITL's version of their background says they were all lost during the war.

posted on October 20th, 2010, 1:18 am

Heh, I'd be laughing more if I didn't remember the huge arguments spawned on these forums just because of that thing  :blush:

posted on October 20th, 2010, 3:03 am

Every once in a while somebody asks why the Klingons don't have more ships available at their imperial yard.  The answer is simple:  A combined fleet of Vorchas and Neghvars is so awesome they don't need other stuff.

The Romulans have very little midgame variety, they have small ships and they have warbirds.  That's why they have several different warbirds, they depend on them.  The feds have to do more than just build the yard to tech to better ships, so they have tiers of battleships.  The Dominion have tons of awesome battleships, but they have to be very careful about when they build their large yard.

The Klingons have a wide variety of small and medium ships; when they get to their largest yard they only need to either kill large things (neghvar) or small things (Bortas)

posted on October 20th, 2010, 3:41 am

Well if the Devs wanted to add a klingon ship that would change up the Negvar/Vorcha late game, they could add the Chancellor class ship from the series "IKS Gorkon." I mean it seems like a reasonable ship that wouldn't be as deadly as a Negvar, but could maybe get extended weapon range  to meduim which the Klingons always need. It could be a special for the third/fourth Avatar as well. I think if the devs wanted a special for the next avatars that the Chancellor class is their for the taking since it is newer than the Negvar.

posted on October 20th, 2010, 3:46 am

It also resembles an enlarged and modified Vor'cha, so there's no danger of it not looking 'Klingon' enough.

posted on October 20th, 2010, 5:58 am

Some interesting comments here but one thing that gets me about Klingon's is they are meant to be (i believe) the race who focus most on damage, and suffer in the shield department.

So, all other races except Feds have a battleship that is stronger in offense than the Neghvar (after a quick scan through the guide... i think i have it right).

This to me seems quite strange.

As for BortaS... simply evil if used right. 

posted on October 20th, 2010, 7:13 am

Not even close im pretty sure that the negvar could solo each one the late game ships from the federation/dominion/romulan races.

posted on October 20th, 2010, 8:18 am

So, all other races except Feds have a battleship that is stronger in offense than the Neghvar (after a quick scan through the guide... i think i have it right).

Negh'var - No cap, cheap for an end-tier battleship, fast.
Tavara - Maximum of 2 of them.  Expensive.
Dominion - S-7 Defender - Limited number (I think it's , expensive, slow.
Borg - Assault Sphere, Battle Sphere, Prime Sphere, Pyramid, Diamond, Cubes.

Rom vs Kling 'top' ship?  I give it to the Klingons because that Tavara would be facing at least two neggies.  And if those neggies are toting overload, it could be a much shorter fight than expected.

Rom vs Dom 'top' ship?  I give it to the Klingons again.  Superior numbers for cost, massive damage output, and able to retreat from the S-7 if needed, while the s-7 cannot run from the Negh'var.

Borg...it's the bloody Borg.  But a small cluster of Negh'var do what nobody else can...quickly steamroll Cubes.

Yes, I know I didn't list the Dread.  That's intentional, because it requires mixed tech.  Even then, there's only 2 allowed, and they have the same issue the Tavara does.  The Negh'var, in my estimation, is the best battleship in the game.  It's good enough that if you can overcome supply issues, it can break a late-game AI Borg assault with far fewer ships than anybody else has to use.

A truely outstanding ship, a testament to the prowess and glory of the empire!

posted on October 20th, 2010, 9:15 am

about bortas, even though its stats are up to fleet combat, everyone gangs up on it so it dies first lol. People hate bortas. Plus it's far more useful for its specials, so it should spend time ion storming th enemy to death.

About large hero ship, i like this

I agree with tyler, klink large ships are not for normal battles as there is more honour fighting in a brel than in a neggie. It's more similar to 1 on 1 combat.

posted on October 20th, 2010, 11:11 am

If we added that ship (which is longer than a Galaxy), where would it go? Especially considering DITL's version of their background says they were all lost during the war.

Well FO Timeline differs from the TNG/DS9 timeline doesn't it. There's no reason why the D'tai Class shouldn't be included from the timeline point of view.

With stats between a Vor'cha and Negh'var it could be an interesting addition. Perhaps give it a cloak without the special research. That will give the Klingons something bulky and stealthy mid game. The cloaked Negh'var is really a late game battleship. The D'tai could fill the defensive gap for the Klingon.

posted on October 20th, 2010, 12:53 pm

If we added that ship (which is longer than a Galaxy), where would it go? Especially considering DITL's version of their background says they were all lost during the war.

And DITL also has a funny contradiction in the "Unit run" and "Commissioned" lines.

"12 built, 12 lost, commissioned during 2363 - 2365, class remains in service" 

That'd be only true if ships do enter Sto'Vo'Kor as well as the warriors dying in battle.