New Klingon Battleship.

posted on October 19th, 2010, 7:52 pm

It seems like most of the races have an advanced ship, Federation with Descent, Romulan with Tavara, Dominion with Artillery, and I believe the borg have the command cube on the horizon, so I was just wondering if the Klingons would be able to get something of this kind.

They all seem to offer powerful advantages, ie, Descent repairs shields for a fleet, Tavara is just a beast when ranked up, and her marines seem to easily take over small enemy vessels, dont play dominion to often, but I'm sure the long range artillery ship has its uses, and undoubtedly when the command cube comes out, it will be capable of dealing with multiple enemy vessels.

I have no ideas as to what this ships function would be for the Klingons, but thought perhaps they might be in for a new ship of the line. It to would be a limited vessel of course, 1-3, with some respectable attributes.

Any thoughts? 

posted on October 19th, 2010, 7:57 pm

The Klingons have the BortaS Class, which is quite a monster of a warship. Also classed as an Experimental Technology Cruiser.

posted on October 19th, 2010, 8:16 pm

And it's limited to 3 ships 

posted on October 19th, 2010, 8:38 pm

hmmmm. yeah I suppose.

I guess it was more just wanting an additional large battleship.

Martok has three with Luspet, but Taq only really has the Bortas and Neghvar unless I am mistaken.

Good ships, just curious about maybe getting another.


Just thinking it seems like the others have more options for this class of warship.

posted on October 19th, 2010, 8:48 pm

bortas isnt a battleship. it will die fast if u put it in general battle. its use is for its specials. like the remore.

klinks have good late game too, the vorcha is plain awesome, and gets even better when ranking, especially since it gets torps to fight big ships. you will have plenty of vorchas left over, which will be ranked and be beasts.

the luspet is good too. its special is nice in numbers.

the neghvar seems underestimated since it gets made so rarely. it is a heavy hitter, with 50 offence unranked. thats 50 offence just for building it. its not that expensive. its fast to make up for short range and lack of cloak. and its special is very useful, especially at finishing off retreating borg ships. its passive makes it adept at killing long range stuff, turrets are usually long range too. and at higher ranks it gets even more station killing power.

the klingons may not have a dread, neither do the feds really. the descent is good at taking out big stuff cos of quantums, but even then its main use is for that awesome special.

the v15 is only mixed tech too. not seen that often.

not every race needs a dread, and as people have pointed out the bortas can decide a game more than a single dread usually can. a whole fleet of small ships can be removed using ion storm. just like hsa.

[Tyler]

posted on October 19th, 2010, 8:53 pm

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That it isn't a battleship isn't really important. Though the thread has 'battleship' in the title, the first post never mentioned them and only talked about special ships (Descent, Tavara, HSA & Command Cube).

The BortaS fits the original posts context.

posted on October 19th, 2010, 9:02 pm

That it isn't a battleship isn't really important. Though the thread has 'battleship' in the title, the first post never mentioned them and only talked about special ships (Descent, Tavara, HSA & Command Cube).

The BortaS fits the original posts context.

i wasnt replying to your post i was replying to the post immediately above me that classed the bortas as a large battleship. which it isnt.

useful it is. powerful it is. battleship it aint.

posted on October 19th, 2010, 9:05 pm

Ah, my mistake.

posted on October 19th, 2010, 9:17 pm

Apologies, I wasn't clear... I guess specifically, Descent, Tavara etc are unique to FO, and it is nice to see new ships such as these. Bortas was in A1 and A2, I think, maybe FO can give Klingons a new look for their battleships of the future. This, and it feels like large battleships for Klingons are few - being one: Neghvars, (luspet for Martok only).

Agreed, not every race necessarily needs a dread, but we're saying the Klingons have Neghvars as their large battleships, and their vorchas are good once they get ranked up. Martok has luspet, but Taq doesnt. So Taq gets Neghvars... those are her only large battleships.

I'm actually quite happy with my Vorchas, and Neghvars. It just feels like after my Kvorts and Kbeajqs become obselete, its just those are my options by default. What else do I do? As was stated, the Bortas is limited to three.

So the Klingons basically rely on large numbers of vorchas, with some Neghvars. 

I thought I had a good point, haha I don't really know anymore.

I just think it would be nice for Klingons to get something new, even if it isn't a dread or something superpowerful, just something... lol something large.

I have no complaints with Neghvars... except it seems like its forced, as for Bortas... I personally didn't picture them as standing up with Descent and Tavara ... maybe they do.

posted on October 19th, 2010, 9:23 pm

well if your enemy builds lots of big stuff go for some sangs, they will torp spam the enemy to death.

if they go for short ranged spam make some charghs. also charghs can hold stuff still for you to gang rape them.

if they cloak a lot then some vutpas would be nice.

u are not restricted to vorchas and neggies. vorchas are never bad though, just like akira, they are useful nearly always. so make some if u can.

also bortas wasnt in a1 and a2 i think it was a similar ship called the feklhr. which wasnt a super ship really.

a descent cant kill a fleet of ships. it is defensive. a trio of bortas with ion storm will kill multiple enemy ships and leave the rest vulnerable to your attack. which is more useful depends on the situation. if your starbase is under attack a descent can fix its shields fast.

1v1 a descent vs a bortas would probably go to the descent, but the bortas is a support ship, it should support your other ships. ie by destroying or damaging large numbers of enemy ships your main fleet will have an easier time. a bortas is indeed very very useful if used right.

posted on October 19th, 2010, 9:29 pm

The Vutpa' is a battleship too

BortaS is still decently powerful in fleet combat - it's super fast shield and hull regeneration can make up for the lower defensive value  ^-^

Ninja'd by Myles 

posted on October 19th, 2010, 9:57 pm

Yes Bortas is an FO original, and I see the light, it perhaps does stand up to Descent in Tavaras in usefulness.

haha, but K. So perhaps I did not state this as I should have.

I have observed that there is only one large Battleship for Klingons: Neghvar. Martok has Luspet yes... but Taq doesn't. I recognize the Vutpa, but it is medium.

I know I can always use sangs and chargh to go up against specific fleets.

But. But. But. As Klingons, I think maybe they could use one or two more universal large battleships. Forget about matching the descent and tavara, I take that back.

Dominion has quite a few, but I can't remember which are avatar specific, but you can name so many, B5, s7, hsa, breen, and the other ones... t15 or whatever. Feds obviously have their variety. Romulans are the next ones on the bottom rung, but even they have the Tavara, D, Norexan and either erisis or cehlaer.

And again, I can see the arguments of, just because they have this, doesnt mean Klingons should... or whatever, so we leave them with just the Neghvar?

Maybe my thinking is wrong... but Klingons have 1 large battleship, so I realize that races are balanced, so it must work out... but just so there is a choice of what to crush my enemy with... hee hee... I dunno, I don't see the big deal in giving the Klingons some bigger ships. 

posted on October 19th, 2010, 10:02 pm

Well, as near as I can tell, Klingons like their smaller ships - they don't need big battleships because they don't take up as much space with fancy schmancy holodecks, sleeping quarters, etc 

[Tyler]

posted on October 19th, 2010, 10:08 pm

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The Klingons likely do have more battleships, which are likely the big kind. With the Klingons, big battleships are meant for show rather than battle; they are designed to show off the military might of the empire.

Ships like that are likely to be very rare and only available for very specific events (like core world defense), not the generic battles you see in FO. Only the regular ones like the Negh'Var would be common enough for widespread use.

posted on October 19th, 2010, 10:56 pm

Aye. Maybe we can have a large hero vessel someday, to lead the fleet to glory but besides that, the Klingons seem more of a practical nature, rather then impressing someone (like the Romulans would)