Multiple death animations

posted on March 20th, 2012, 2:57 pm

The series are a bit inconsistent with just how powerful a WC breach is.
Warp core breach - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki

It's usually portrayed as an explosion which can destroy a ship, but when one of Voyager's shuttles suffered a WC breach in Day of Honor Tom Paris and Torres were able to beat out to a save distance which implies that it's not a sector wide event either.

Ingame I'd see a WC breach roughly at the size/radius of a Serkas round, perhaps smaller.
Either way the idea is on the table, the decision to add it and if added how to balance it would be up to the developers.

posted on March 20th, 2012, 5:45 pm

a screen isn't a sector, a map is more like a sector. wc breaches definitely wouldn't go for sector/map distances.

transporters also have range inconsistency, and shuttle cores are tiny, so it's perfectly reasonable they could beam away from it. a common figure for transporter range is 40,000 km. which is pretty large. but then if you put a ion storm sheet of paper in the way, the transporter range decreases.

in generations (don't shoot me, it's canon too), the saucer had impulse engines and still couldn't get away from the wc breach, they took massive damage and troi managed to crash into a planet somehow.

maybe if we technobabble that new warp core safety systems can reduce the size of the explosions, so that the explosion can be like a serkas round, but a lil weaker. i'd buy that.

[Anonymous]

posted on March 20th, 2012, 5:53 pm

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In TNG the saucer had its own warp core, and the galaxy class went warp 13.

Let us therefore not be held back by canon techno-babble. 

maybe if we technobabble that new warp core safety systems can reduce the size of the explosions, so that the explosion can be like a serkas round, but a lil weaker. i'd buy that.

I like that id....Wait... 

  It doesn't have to be a proverbial nuke.  It could be much less damaging because ship safety measures have gotten better since the dominion war and they are not as dangerous and don't spread antimatter quite as far.

posted on March 20th, 2012, 6:12 pm

saucer never had it's own warp core, i presume you have some evidence saying it does, i'd very much like to see that. unless you are referring to the galaxy x which leads me to....

warp 13 and the galaxy x in it's entirety was a possible future thing, may never have will going to happened, or something like that. could have all been an illusion made by Q.

posted on March 20th, 2012, 6:20 pm

The Saucer with a Warp Core should be the Prometheus. Warp 13 and beyond was oddly common back in TOS...

posted on March 20th, 2012, 7:14 pm

prommie was voyager not tng.

tos had some crazy stuff, kinda obvious it was made in the 60s. it's like that crazy old uncle who tells stories you know aren't true.

posted on March 20th, 2012, 7:36 pm

prommie was voyager not tng.

tos had some crazy stuff, kinda obvious it was made in the 60s. it's like that crazy old uncle who tells stories you know aren't true.

Hey you insolent youngster everything i tell is the truth!!

posted on March 20th, 2012, 7:50 pm

Hey you insolent youngster everything i tell is the truth!!

posted on March 20th, 2012, 9:48 pm

saucer never had it's own warp core, i presume you have some evidence saying it does, i'd very much like to see that. unless you are referring to the galaxy x which leads me to....

warp 13 and the galaxy x in it's entirety was a possible future thing, may never have will going to happened, or something like that. could have all been an illusion made by Q.

Well you have to have a warp core to go to warp right?  I am pretty sure the very first episode of TNG, the saucer goes to warp and travels at warp.

[Tyler]

posted on March 20th, 2012, 9:58 pm

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They seperated at Warp, it started to slow down immediatly afterwards. Pretty sure that's partly why Data claimed it wasn't a very safe thing to do.

posted on March 20th, 2012, 10:05 pm

They seperated at Warp, I'm pretty sure it started to slow down right afterwards.

bingo, it coasted like a curling stone. you also need nacelles to initiate warp, saucer definitely didn't have them.

also photon torps travel at warp for distances without warp cores when fired at warp, many speculate they have a warp sustainer, like greasing a human and sliding them along some plastic.

posted on March 21st, 2012, 11:17 am

My turn to join the techno-babble (a photon torpedo does have a sustainer), a warp core is the anti-matter>matter mixer, the anti-matter and the deuterium are kept in separate places, the huge catastrophic explosion only happens when the explosion hits the deuterium and the anti-matter.
If the core is ejected, what burns is the core with only the fuel already inside it. if shields are up, we have seen time and time again that shields protect the ship almost completely from the explosion while suffering almost no side-effects. but without shields, it poses a very big problem over a very short area.
in Generations, we see it hitting the saucer section, but it doesn't destroy the ship; it disables engines. from all that, we can know that a breach can destroy a galaxy without shields: if its less then 500m away and has 3/4 of its health gone and is drifting into enemy space.
If you eject the core, only impulse engines, life support and torpedo systems work. all the rest are out

I think that should clear up the discussion a bit.

posted on March 21st, 2012, 1:11 pm

I think that should clear up the discussion a bit.

doesn't because none of your claims have proof. a lot of it is contradicted in canon.

like in generations the saucer had impulse engines on, and was getting quite a distance away from the drive section. since the distance wasn't given (your 500m figure is a complete ass-pull ), you can bend that shot to whichever opinion you need based on how far you think the distance was.

also no core = only impulse engines life support and torps. that's rubbish. pretty much everything except warp has been shown to work, just with less power. ie phasers still work, they just don't kick as much bottom. environmental controls still work. lights still work, sensors still work etc.

voyager ejected its warp core in an episode (the one with the space tramps that hated the eye candy) and janeway/tuvok were discussing how their fighting strength was reduced, but not gone.

posted on March 21st, 2012, 2:30 pm

doesn't because none of your claims have proof. a lot of it is contradicted in canon.

Once again, might I state that canon contradicts canon.  I believe in Voy, every time they ejected the core it had different affects on the ship. 

Either way, His "facts" don't matter.  We can easily explain that the overload was toned down by safety measures and it only causes minor damage which is scaled depending on how close you are. 

bingo, it coasted like a curling stone. you also need nacelles to initiate warp, saucer definitely didn't have them.

also photon torps travel at warp for distances without warp cores when fired at warp, many speculate they have a warp sustainer, like greasing a human and sliding them along some plastic.

That was my belief as well, however they never actually said that.  All you saw was the saucer continued to move while the stardrive tried to stay back and stop Q.  Your theory is perfectly reasonable, but they never actually said in canon that it did or didn't have warp drive.  Not unless I missed something in an episode.

In fact, according to ENT(lol) you have to have naclles to have a stable warp field, and if your field destabilizes(or is non existent for lack of nacelles) you instantly drop out of warp.  You don't coast at speeds over the speed of light as far as I know.

posted on March 21st, 2012, 2:48 pm

Once again, might I state that canon contradicts canon. 

not disagreeing with you on that.

That was my belief as well, however they never actually said that.  All you saw was the saucer continued to move while the stardrive tried to stay back and stop Q.  Your theory is perfectly reasonable, but they never actually said in canon that it did or didn't have warp drive.  Not unless I missed something in an episode.

In fact, according to ENT(lol) you have to have naclles to have a stable warp field, and if your field destabilizes(or is non existent for lack of nacelles) you instantly drop out of warp.  You don't coast at speeds over the speed of light as far as I know.

we've also seen ships knocked out of warp because the nacelle took a direct hit. and by coast, i didn't mean that the saucer coasted at warp, i meant it dropped to high sublight speeds and coasted sublight. the saucer has no warp field. it has no nacelles.

in order to generate a warp field it would need power, ie a warp core. the warp core is only ever referred to with the definite article 'the', the ent only has 1 warp core, they never call it the primary warp core or the main warp core or anything. it's also pretty big, clearly appearing on the msd, no such thing exists in the saucer.

then we have the stupid episode where that klingon woman is fired in a torp casing as a mode of transport. a warp sustainer makes some sense , but how did they fit inertial dampeners in that thing? also the ship that shot her like a torp would need to be going at warp, it's hard to imagine that the torp could accelerate to much faster than the ship anyway. they never seem to cross the distance between ships very fast when at warp.