Moar refits

posted on April 28th, 2010, 12:55 pm

I recently had an idea about romulan refits for warbirds

for the big D:

have 3 refits:

- one that allows it to fire the pulses we have seen it fire before, but disables the torpedo launcher. this would make the big D great at taking on little ships.

- another refit that gives it heavier torps but disables the beam weapon. there may be space to fit some big launchers in the space between the top and bottom "wings" of the big D. these launchers could fire the same torps as the front launcher, but have less accuracy because more are being fired. hitchance for battleships would fall to 85% and hitchances for other ships would fall as well. meaning it will be very hard to use the launchers to hurt little ships.


- a defence refit, maybe the big D defensive special weapon that it already has could be made more powerful under this refit, the big D would get expensive shield and hull upgrades, but weapons would remain the same as unrefitted. makes the big D harder to destroy

the unrefitted big D could drop in stats a little, so people choose a refit.


the pulse refit on the big D could instead be put on the norexan if people dont like the idea of the giant big D chasing little ships

i was thinking of a refit that would give the norexan all pulses like we saw in nemesis, making it strong against small ships.

posted on April 28th, 2010, 1:03 pm

I like the Pulse refit idea, I like hunting little ships with big ones (did that with a Sovereign on SFC3).

posted on April 28th, 2010, 1:47 pm

Why the should Roms need MORE pulse weapons? They lack torpedos...and powerful beams...pulse weapons are imo better for smaller ships. not for biggers.

posted on April 28th, 2010, 1:49 pm

- one that allows it to fire the pulses we have seen it fire before, but disables the torpedo launcher. this would make the big D great at taking on little ships.

Errm... you are aware of that the Norexan already is doing that job?
Sure, a pulse-firing D'Deridex looks cool, but in FO the romulans already have a warbird for that.

- another refit that gives it heavier torps but disables the beam weapon. there may be space to fit some big launchers in the space between the top and bottom "wings" of the big D.

Ever tried the Serkas in combination with some escorts? Can work well.
Nothing against the idea of adding more offensive torps to the warbird, but sacrificing a beamweapon for it is no option for a romulan warbird.

- a defence refit, maybe the big D defensive special weapon that it already has could be made more powerful under this refit, the big D would get expensive shield and hull upgrades, but weapons would remain the same as unrefitted. makes the big D harder to destroy

Better shields, hull and a little upgrade for the stealth field are a good idea for a D'Deridex-refit.
And personally, to not entirely kill that pulse and torp-idea:

D'Deridex refit (researched at the upgrade facility): adds a short-ranged torpedo-launcher with a higher chance to miss, but also with a chance to inflict heavy damage.

Refit also includes:

Improved stealth field: the special weapon now can affect three more enemy vessels and holds on for six more seconds.

offensive special weapon (researched at the upgrade facility): pulse volley: targets ships in short range and deals serious shield damage to destroyers and scouts.

system value increased by 7
defense value increased by 14
offensive value increased by 7

posted on April 28th, 2010, 3:29 pm

In cannon wasnt their a difference between the talshiar warbirds and the regular ones

[mimesot]

posted on April 28th, 2010, 4:05 pm

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Haha! I had really similar ideas for refits too (even posted). Big D forever!!!

Errm... you are aware of that the Norexan already is doing that job?
Sure, a pulse-firing D'Deridex looks cool, but in FO the romulans already have a warbird for that.

Not entirely. The norexan is a fast destroyer chacer. The Big D disruptor refit would be a mobile anti-destroyer turret.

I also like the ideas of a heavy damage inaccurate torpedo-launcher for a torpedo refit.

I dislike a defensive refit, as the big D is a defensive ship in contrast to the norexan.

As boarding is a crippled element of gameplay i would like to see the tavara's marines reinforced by a big D marines refit.

posted on April 28th, 2010, 5:21 pm

Yeah I have to say that your idea makes lots of sense, but because Fleetops has more ships than TNG did for the Romulans there's really no reason to go the extra mile.

  Right now the Big D is really the only Torpedo-firepower the Romulans have that's worth using, while the Norexan more than adequately uses heavy pulse weapons. 

  If you wanted to come up with a "canon" reason why the Rommies wouldn't have Big-D's with multiple weapon refits it could be said that since the fielding of the Norexan, the D'Deridex has been able to be streamlined for production in vast quantities of a specific role.  They no longer have to be relied upon by the Romulans as the "end-all" ship that does everything.

  I do like the idea of having lots of Romulans refits, though .  I'm sure the Devs can come up with some interesting ways to add them in .

posted on April 28th, 2010, 5:24 pm

Also, don't forget that Optec mentioned that ships like the stock generix would have a more defined role besides "Ship you make to get a refit" .  So there will definitely be some more diversity in the romulan fleet.

posted on April 28th, 2010, 6:27 pm

In cannon wasnt their a difference between the talshiar warbirds and the regular ones

Yeah.  The Tal'Shiar put the bleeding edge technology on ALL of their stuff.  A Tal'Shiar ship is a scary, scary thing.  The part that keeps the power balance in the Star Empire is that the Tal'Shiar usually aren't nearly as good at battlefield command compared to the actual military.  (Now, give a Romulan veteran crew a Tal'Shiar warbird, and watch people cry, however.)

posted on April 28th, 2010, 7:40 pm

as far as i remember the talshiar didnt build ships, they just asked the military for them when needed.

posted on April 28th, 2010, 7:42 pm

They have their own, you just don't see them usually. That's how the anti-Dominion pre-emtive strike made it seem, at least. They can take Military ones as well, though.

It's the Obsidion Order that isn't allowed any military tech and ships.

posted on April 28th, 2010, 7:52 pm

if they have their own ships then why did they ask for a military one in that tng episode where troi pretends to be talshiar.

when she goes aboard the ship and orders the romulan military around they act like its perfectly normal, that the talshiar always ask the military for ships when needed. maybe the ships in the ds9 episode you mentioned were miiltary ships but on loan to the talshiar.

to have your own ships which are different from military ships they would need some facilities of their own to refit them. which doesnt fit with the talshiar's style. the talshiar are intelligence, they dont wield the big stick, they wield the sharp knife. it doesnt seem to me that they would spend their resources on building ships, they would train secret agents, and when necessary appropriate the military ships.

[Tyler]

posted on April 28th, 2010, 8:04 pm

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It's flawed to assume that because something happens 1 way, it can't ever happen another way. There is nothing preventing them from have their own fleet, and they know that infiltrators can't do everything. The TNG epsidode likely didn't have any ships of theirs around.

The fact that the are a well known organization means they don't need to hide facilities, just convince people they are military. A Tal Shiar fleet full of Tal Shiar agents acting directly under the rulers of the Tal Shiar shows they can control their own ships. The military would have noticed an entire fleet of Warbirds that simply 'dissapeared', the TS has limits.

On the other hand, they don't need to build their own. They are good enough to have the military build ships that they take after construction. Or have a military yard upgrade their ships.

posted on April 28th, 2010, 8:18 pm

for the ds9 thing (the battle of the omarian nebula) they could have just said to the military "we need some ships" and the military would have probably agreed, even if the talshiar did get them all blowed up

i personally think that the talshiar utilise military vessels when needed, so i dont think they would have their own refits, just their own veteran crews. if the talshiar had refit specs which they asked the military to build at military yards then the military might as well build those refits for all romulan ships

[Tyler]

posted on April 28th, 2010, 8:24 pm

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for the ds9 thing (the battle of the omarian nebula) they could have just said to the military "we need some ships" and the military would have probably agreed, even if the talshiar did get them all blowed up

No-one amongst the Romulans knew about the Tal Shiar plan. Romulans may not always be the most trustworthy people, but the nature of the Tal Shiar make it believable.

i personally think that the talshiar utilise military vessels when needed, so i dont think they would have their own refits, just their own veteran crews. if the talshiar had refit specs which they asked the military to build at military yards then the military might as well build those refits for all romulan ships

Unless they had the yard build what they needed then have a Tal Shiar overseer delete the specs from the Yard. Or use a secure Flash Stick.

The Tal Shiar is only an intel group to the public, they are really more of a Secret Police. Except for the 'secret' part...