kelvin

posted on November 9th, 2009, 12:38 am

I guess I'm thinking of the shot where we go through the window into the bridge of the Enterprise.  It really did look out of proportion.  Unfortunately, I can't find what I'm looking for one you tube.   Maybe I'll find what I'm looking for later, Dom.  It probably was only the one shot.

When searching, I did find a post that went on about how big the new Enterprise is compared to the other Enterprises.

http://www.startrekmovie.com/forums/showthread.php?p=222908


Even though I liked the movie, I got this for you, Fullphaser.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx0aP20wSpY

posted on November 9th, 2009, 12:59 am

I don't remember starting a star trek movies thread.

posted on November 9th, 2009, 1:02 am

Kelvin = Star Trek XI

[UnknownSaiyan]

posted on November 9th, 2009, 1:08 am

Last edited by UnknownSaiyan on November 9th, 2009, 1:12 am, edited 1 time in total.

Kelvin=kelvin

Edit: now I remember were I first looked at a ship like the kelvin. It was a mod for sfc 3. I don't think it was called the kelvin class.

posted on November 9th, 2009, 1:52 am

Actualy. The Kelvin was in the standard timeline. I believe what you are thinking of UnknownSaiyan is of the Saldan class. We could have a Saldan II refit for Romulan mixed tech. 

posted on November 9th, 2009, 3:00 am

My biggest question with that movie is this...

Why did the Romulan Star Empire not just lob an old D'deridex warp core into the star?  The heat instantly vaporizes the casing to reveal...an artificial singularity.  Sure, it is unlikely to last long outside of it's generation system, but that's a perk in this case.  It'll just suck up the supernova, destabilize, and dissipate.  Problem solved, no need to beg the Federation for help, no need to let Romulus catch on fire, and the only real decision is...do you reveal how you beat the supernova or not?  If you do, everyone is even more afraid of you.  Bonus.  If you don't everyone makes up their own theories on how you did it, and may come up with something even scarier than 'we have a 'few' spare black holes sitting around.'

And if you're gonna ask for help, why the hell didn't the feds hand over that fucking torpedo that stabilizes stars that are about to go nova?  You know, the one from TNG?

posted on November 9th, 2009, 3:33 am

I think romulans use micro black holes or at least relatively small ones. Black holes come in many sizes. It would require a fairly large one to contain the energy released from a supernova. And even if they could contain the super nova every planet in the system would become uninhabitable in a few days due to freezing.

posted on November 9th, 2009, 4:50 am

I think romulans use micro black holes or at least relatively small ones. Black holes come in many sizes. It would require a fairly large one to contain the energy released from a supernova. And even if they could contain the super nova every planet in the system would become uninhabitable in a few days due to freezing.

Still though, the Romulans took the lightest losses during the dominion war, and have thousands of ships at their disposal, most close to roumulus, I find it odd that they didn't have the resources for a mass evacuation. Vulcan got off how many thousand in all of 6 minutes? I find it hard to believe that the Romulan Star Empire, more than likely working with the Federation or at least far more accepting given that finish of Nemesis [which was essentially the same plot line for that TNG episode where Riker experienced a fake future as imagined by a crazy child]. I guess the movie just has very "Grey Areas" in areas of the Plot that Star Trek usually tries to spend the most time, not the least.

posted on November 9th, 2009, 6:13 am

Romulans use mini quantum singularities for their power soure that can't exist outside of the core and can't be deactivated once started. It would also seem that their destruction has no effect on space-time. What exactly a quantum singularity is in Trek hasn't been explained, though in real life it is just about anything that doesn't fit in with what we know about physics. As to whether or not this would be able to stop a super nova from destroying Romulus and the entire system, it seems unlikely. Keep in mind, rather than just destroying it's own system, the explosion from the star was big enough to hit a planet in another system full force and was described as being powerful enough to endanger the galaxy. It seems very unlikely that such a small singularity, which apparently gives off energy rather than absorbing it, would be able to do much to it.

posted on November 9th, 2009, 12:57 pm

The theory being 'singularity-fueled power generation' goes something like this.

Take a singularity - surround it in a containment system.  Make sure the system is designed so that when exposed to gravitational stress, it generates power.  Hook up to a power system.

Now how you go about doing that is beyond me, though.

posted on November 9th, 2009, 2:21 pm

I was hoping the Kelvin would be mentioned as a Flt Ops vessel! I have planed this entire thing of how it is going to go down!

First off... we have the Kelvin available at warp-in. Here is its starting stats.

Offensive 19
Defensive 26
System 20

- Type IX-K Phaser (Can attack up to 5 targets)
- 3x Type VII-K Pulse Phasers (Rapid fire, automatically selects its targets; similar to how the Quantum turrets spread their shots.)
- Active Anti-Torpedo System (Passive: Has avialable phaser turrets intercept incoming torpedo-type projectiles. 60% Chance of interception; uses 15 special energy per shot.



Okay, I was also thinking of the idea of a Kelvin II as a Fed-Kling Mixed Design.

posted on November 9th, 2009, 4:29 pm

With those specials and that offensive value, it's phasers are going to do about 2 damage.

[Tyler]

posted on November 9th, 2009, 5:20 pm

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It's a 1337_64M3R vessel, so those stats probably don't count the specials.

Actualy. The Kelvin was in the standard timeline. I believe what you are thinking of UnknownSaiyan is of the Saldan class. We could have a Saldan II refit for Romulan mixed tech. 

Implying the USS Kelvin was a modified version of the Saladin Class? That seems quite reasonable, since it does look like the STXI screw-up version of a Saladin varient...

Shame Abrams compensation screwed up the size, though...

posted on November 9th, 2009, 8:21 pm

I would not be opposed to having the Kelvin as some sort of support Vessel with a phalanx ability which enables it to destroy enemy projectile type weapons. Like torps and missles. But I think it should be a Kelvin-II because lets face it... it would be well over 100 years old by the time of fleet-ops and 'desperate times' may be used to explain why Miranda's are still used but the Kelvin.... suicide mission anyone?


EDIT: Typo

posted on November 9th, 2009, 11:20 pm

The Kelvin is nice, but what about the new Enterprise? And the Narada? And the Jellyfish? Or even the spacedock ships? But, remeber, the star that went nova was the Hobus star, not the star in the Folkqua sector where Romulus and Remus are located. Also, what about the red matter black hole thingy? It is apparently a portal to alternate timelines, (or whatever.) but, not only did the Narada and Jellyfish originally passed through into Star Trek XI timeline. If that is so, what happened to the supernova, Vulcan, and the debris of the Narada after wards? Probably smashed up some other stuff. But, I would like to see some new ships from the movie.