Fighting the Borg

posted on December 12th, 2009, 2:22 pm

ok let me clear up what i meant if all weapons were effective against the borg then they in turn should have the ability to assimilate and adapt to that ship classes weapons not making them immune but giving them a damage reduction bonus for example if u assimilate a canavarel u would get lets say a 15% damage reduction and a 25% reduction in the duration of its specials but to get these u would have to send that vessel to a borg tech centre to be analyzed first

posted on December 12th, 2009, 2:34 pm

The goal of making pulse weapons do more damage to the Borg wasn't to make other races do more damage to the Borg; it was to make using other strategies against the Borg feasible.  I don't see how making the Borg even more powerful should counter that.

posted on December 12th, 2009, 2:48 pm

and who would that benefit from this exactly except the romulans whose battleships by the way are probably the best in the game already a norexean with its pulse weapons is much more efferctive than a dderidex with its beam weapons a simple test build 2 ships of the same class and c which ship gets destroyed first

posted on December 12th, 2009, 2:59 pm

and who would that benefit from this exactly except the romulans whose battleships by the way are probably the best in the game already a norexean with its pulse weapons is much more efferctive than a dderidex with its beam weapons a simple test build 2 ships of the same class and c which ship gets destroyed first

I admit, it does benefit the Romulans the most, since they are the most reliant on pulse weaponry.  That's why it's a bit harder to play as them against the Borg.  But this would also benefit the Klingons, (the B'rel, an excellent early game ship, which relies on pulse weapons), and it would make the Defiant actually fulfill its role (supposedly it's meant to fight the Borg, but it has pulse weapons).  The Romulan reliance on pulse weapons makes it harder as them to counter the Borg.

Romulan battleships are, in general, weaker than those of other races.  And if you look at the stats, the D'deridex would definitely beat a Norexan in a fight.  It has a higher defensive value and a similar offensive value, but 2/3 of the Norexan's weapons are weaker versus the D'deridex anyway.

posted on December 12th, 2009, 3:08 pm

the defiant should have quantums like in the shows also ive always found in this instance when attacking mining a norexean does a quicker job of dealing with miners than a dderidex a final point you say u have trouble when using romulans against the borg have u never heard of the generix support refit?

posted on December 12th, 2009, 3:10 pm

The Defiants already have Quantums, you just need to get one to Officer rank to use them.

posted on December 12th, 2009, 3:15 pm

the defiant should have quantums like in the shows also ive always found in this instance when attacking mining a norexean does a quicker job of dealing with miners than a dderidex a final point you say u have trouble when using romulans against the borg have u never heard of the generix support refit?

That's because the Norexan has pulse weapons, which are better versus smaller ships.  The D'deridex, if I remember correctly, has a torpedo, which is less effective versus smaller ships.  But none of that counts against the Borg.

And yes, I have heard of the support refit.  I'm not an idiot.  It's a bit difficult to get them to in time to fight the early sphere or assimilator, though.  Generally you have to rely on torpedo rheinns, which don't work as well that early in the game in anything other than a 1v1.

posted on December 12th, 2009, 3:26 pm

well turrets turrets turrets is all i can say rommies can build turrets on the cheap lets say build 5 or 6 them with your rhienns will take care of that assim/sphere without much hassle leaving you free to build up and research although i must admit myself no matter who i play as if the borg decide your its target they can quickly make a mess of your plans making it very hard to get back in the game

posted on December 12th, 2009, 3:32 pm

you cant build 6 turrets before the first assim or even the first sphere. also are the pulses of the turrets not so good against the borg, and the assims can outrange the turrets. so all in all, turrets arent a solution against earlygame borg, or against borg at all.

posted on December 12th, 2009, 3:41 pm

if your playing ai this whole discussions pointless as the ai have unlimited resources and drastically shortened build times

posted on December 12th, 2009, 3:45 pm

Obviously, the player Borg is the subject of the discussion...

As for resources, unless you take the game apart, you won't know for sure which of the numerous available cheats they have. Besides, the game files say the AI only pay 10% of the proper price.

posted on December 12th, 2009, 4:31 pm

The Romulans do just fine against the Borg. You can just tech straight up to Support refits (you'll have 1.5 refits done by the time the first Assimilator arrives, or 3 refits done by the time the first Sphere arrives. However, I have found the best strategy is to just go with 5 torp refit Rhienns, tech up to Griffins or Support and then pump out a few of those. The rest of the strategy can be found in the guide. Mijural generally fares worse against the Assimilate avatar (no griffins), unless you are decent at using his turrets to protect yourself.

Oh, and the reason the Dominion AI spams so much I believe is because supply doesn't count in terms of the cost - thus they build everything a looooot cheaper.

posted on December 12th, 2009, 4:38 pm

If you're Romulan and you're feeling lucky, you can defend you base with the Intel centre... Nothing is more satisfying than 1-shotting a Borg Cube with an unarmed station...

posted on December 12th, 2009, 4:42 pm

If you're Romulan and you're feeling lucky, you can defend you base with the Intel centre... Nothing is more satisfying than 1-shotting a Borg Cube with an unarmed station...

Yes, but that will change, depending on how much muddling through the coding is required

posted on December 12th, 2009, 5:50 pm

if your playing ai this whole discussions pointless as the ai have unlimited resources and drastically shortened build times

I've NEVER seen you playing online.  Unless you are one of the very few who play on Gamespy or Hamachi, what else are you referring to if not the AI?  If you had played against other Borg players online I don't think you'd have this opinion.

the borg are not meant to b fun to play against i think the devs have it spot on ships with long range torps are more effective against them u could use any sort of fleet u want against them u would just lose many more ships the best tactic when playing ai borg is let them come build a defense desrtoy what ever they send at you then attack them while theyre rebuilding quantum turrets work wonders against any ship

Not meant to be fun?  What video game is not meant to be fun? 
Few of their ships have long range.  The only practical one for fighting is the Assimilator.
Here, you just said you're talking about the AI Borg.  We're not.  Playing a human online is much different and after you've played a number of games you realize there are only 1 or 2 (maybe) strategies per race that work effectively.  That's no fun.  What Mal started here was the option to make more strategies possible against the Borg.

  I don't think you're paying much attention.