Federation Refit

posted on January 18th, 2009, 8:45 pm

Okay so im brining this up because there has been talk about it on some other posts, and i think we just need one.  Okay the main idea is that the feds right now dont have somthing really defining about them, and it has been brought up that the fed should have the ability to refit all there ships and upgrade them(but not like the tavara) The federation, ussually just keeps refiting ships and upgrading them long after they were made and almost never decomission them, and there have been many examples of this.  The excelsior class was used in the dominian war, over 80 years after it was first made, it also had the lakota refit, the miranda class had many refits and varients, the constitution class had refits, the galaxy class had its agt varient, and just in general, everbody has seen the ships going to spacedock, to get upgrades, like the enterprise e in nemesis, it was refited(and i think first contact, not sure) weve seen the enterprise d go to have many things upgraded on it throw the years in the show.  So i think itd be cool to have every class be able to be upgraded , and has its varients, just like the nebula class also has its varients, from science pods, to extra nacells. so thats it, i hope i dcidnt miss anything, tell me what everyone thinks

posted on January 18th, 2009, 9:17 pm

I like the idea except that FO takes place 20 years in the future, so you wouldn't be able to start out with TMP era ships and refit them unless they were warped in and upgraded later.

posted on January 18th, 2009, 9:44 pm

That would be a really neat gameplay feature, being able to refit Fed ships to look more advanced. After researching it the shipyards construct the newer versions instead of the older ones etc.

posted on January 18th, 2009, 9:52 pm

It would be interesting to refit vessels. But we should note that complete refitting to completely change the face of canon classics like the galaxy or sov would kinda put a damper on much of the fun we get in seeing the canon ships engage the enemy.
Too much refitting would end up taking us from the STU to a look and feel that would be a completely different animal.

So if we want refits, in moderation then. Too much and we kill the "true start trek" feel of the game.

posted on January 19th, 2009, 1:43 pm

D'oh, posted in the Nebula thread before I read this one. =/

In general, I like it. Some features would be cool to see on other races, such as the Federation using refit, the Dominion/Klingons/Romulans using warp-in, or prototypes, etc, but... meh, i'll just quote my other post. =)

I think the problem is, as stated before here, that refitting isn't part of the "style" the FlOps team are going for. Every race has it's own way of playing, so the "special features" are usually used on one race only. So the Feds have warp-in, the Romulans have refitting (an interesting parallel to SFB, with the various Hawk class modular variants... a coincidence?), the Borg have their custom ships, the Dominion have prototypes, the Klingons have... ah screw, I forgot.

So although it would be really cool to go with what's been suggested, it could muck up these "racial specific features" the team have worked hard to make. I would love to see modular customisable warp-in prototypes (maybe that would be over-doing it, but what the hell) ...

So yeah, I like it, but I think we have to be careful about what "flavour" we use for this.

posted on January 19th, 2009, 9:14 pm

i see where your coming from, but i think romulans are very spy ish ans stelthy with there cloak, but i think roms and feds have some same qualities, they both are good at spying (ection 31, and the tal shiar) and they both upgrade and refit, but i think federation much more so for refiting, and upgrading,  but roms more for spying

posted on January 19th, 2009, 10:38 pm

So why are we making the races more similar?

What's gonna be unique about the Rommies then if we transfer the refit tech 

posted on January 20th, 2009, 12:13 am

Sabotage, Spying and Phase cloak, what else do the Romulans need?

posted on January 20th, 2009, 1:28 am

Sigh, Pro-Feddies are relentless. It's not like the battles in this game take place over years where upgrades would be effected. Imo all Galaxy class ships that respond on call are unlikely to be the Venture tpye because even if you look at the ones being built in VOY they are standard types. And the Nebula class most likely to respond on distress call is going to be the one we see, because of all the Nebula class ships we see save a prototype and the USS Phoenix are of this type. Same goes for the Excelsior! The Lakota was refitted specifically, no others have been seen since, making me think that the most likely to appear is a TNG-refit era Excelsior, the same sort that would have been on par with a TNG-era Galor. You can create all the situations you want to justify your position but I disagree. Make your own personal mods please. It just seems like the same handful of people wanting to ramp up the Federation.

posted on January 20th, 2009, 1:35 am

The Lakota was refitted specifically

Wow, someone actually remembered that? Everyone seems to say the Lakota is a standard refit for some reason.

posted on January 20th, 2009, 1:39 am

yeah we know that, but its not just refits, theres been countless upgrades in the shows, the enterprise e was upraded and refit at least 2 times just in the movies, and the enterprise d was upgraded to many times to count, and those are only two ships, other ships woulda been upgraded also, thats the feds style

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posted on January 20th, 2009, 3:11 am

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I don't know what all the bickering is about. This is a place where we can all present our thoughts and ideas and several specific people (Atlantis) are acting like a bunch of nagging women with their overcritical remarks and nitpicking of things that are purely trivial. We might not be able to mod on our own, but you don't present any ideas at all. At least we are articulating our ideas which is far more than you've been doing by opening your hole and complaining because your too afraid of change.

Moreover, I think you're foolish to challenge the facts. If you ever had anything to say in court it would never hold up. The judge would be angry at you for wasting their time without presenting any evidence to refute the contrary.

The Federation has continually upgraded their ships through the years as with the Constitution, Miranda, and Galaxy. They don't refit their ships and scrap them a few years later, or dump them off in some remote, far off sector of base, then call them up when there's a war and say, "hey, we need you ships over here now."

Here's the USS Venture, several Excelsior refits, and Galaxy variants (darkened spines) seen during the Klingon and Dominion war:

USS VENTURE



WAR GALAXY

posted on January 20th, 2009, 3:38 am

Do you know the specific Refit of the Excelsior class? Do you know it's capabilities?

The USS Venture is a one off, from the evidence you are presenting me. The 'darkened' spine 'war' Galaxy class ships you have pictured also require a power estimation as it were. Let's break this down.

Memory Alpha:

'The Venture in "The Way of the Warrior" (and episodes which reused that footage) was the four-foot USS Enterprise-D model built for the third season of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Although it was mostly unchanged from the Enterprise-D, the Venture retained the phaser arrays on the dorsal sides of its nacelles from when the model was modified into the future Enterprise from TNG: "All Good Things...", but they were turned around for the Venture. This was the last use of a physical model to represent the Galaxy-class, and the computer generated versions do not have the extra phasers. '

So for all we know, it is a one off design. I also would like to see how a darkened hull (perhaps armour?...perhaps even to stop Jem'hadar ships from ramming through their thin 'spines') would impact the power of a Galaxy class ship.

Oh, and I'm waiting for you to prove to me (since you refer to this as 'court') that those Excelsior refits are infact refits and furthermore that they are any different than the Excelisors we've seen in TNG.

posted on January 20th, 2009, 4:47 am

and wheres youe evidence that the feds only refit one ships out of each class? cmon weve seen in every series that the ships get upgraded, every series, do i really need to give examples?

posted on January 20th, 2009, 4:57 am

This discussion would be over so fast if they actually showed us the Fleet in the show, instead of always focusing on one ship with the odd occasion of (not talked-about) background ships!

Anyway, the Excelsior Class in those images (the second at least) seem to be the refit version. It is hard to tell, but going by the shape of the saucer they seem to have the extra Impulse engines.