Fed Idea

posted on May 30th, 2004, 9:55 pm

In the series, Galaxy class ships can do the saucer sep. I think the Galaxyis the only one, but the soverign showld be able to do it. Basically, all ships with a distinct saucer and hull sections should be able to. A2 had the Galaxy do a saucer sep and you could download a mod to get the Soverign to sep. Also, the Galaxy should have more special weapons, like tractor beam and tachyon shield disruptor and other crap like that. Basically, the Galaxy is a science ship that can stand up in battle. All ships should have a tractor beam, though...

Anyway - The short version:
- Suacer sep for all ships with distinct saucer and hull sections
- More specials for galaxy
- All ships with tractor beam

Another idea as I was writing this:
Why not let the "Hero" type ships like the Intrepid, Galaxy, Soverign, Defiant, etc. research extra special weapons like transwarp, shuttlebays (for ships big enough) some tacyon weapon ('cause tachyons are very powerful -- Calamarain or however you spell it) and maybe a temporal distortion filed that allows you to attack before you attack (attack twice with each shot).

The game is great as it is, but these could be some nice additions.

:tank:

posted on May 30th, 2004, 9:59 pm

Welcome to the Forums! I think we can do without most of those, only the Galaxy class can separate so letting other ships do it is uncannon and even the Galaxy doing it is worthless, unless the 2 parts were more powerful then a single part.

The Feds should be more powerful but I think they already planned to spicen them up.

We should be able to live without the Feds having Transwarp and temporal distortion but I did like your idea about the tractor beam, all ships should have a tractor beam for getting damaged ships back home.

posted on May 30th, 2004, 10:00 pm

The only ship with Saucer seperation was the galaxy, and the prmetheus has MVAM, but the saucer sep didnt prove any tacticle advantage in A2 and if u can find a way to give it one id love to hear it, id like a diferent special weapon on the galaxy, instead of point defense, the akira already has it, and tractorbeams dont have a big use in this game any way.

posted on May 30th, 2004, 10:43 pm

I think the feds need just a little more power and they are going to get it in fleetops 3, but why the f..k should the feds have transwarp and temporal distortion , why not give them an inteligence center and red nebula creator(from klingon ship Bortas) and call it a night . See it doesn't work this way cause they would be much too powerful and you have to think about balance, and if that wasn't there well, let's just say the borg would be god like (maybe I would grown to like that )

posted on May 30th, 2004, 11:13 pm

I wasnt sure if te soverign had saucer sep. Anyway, in A2 they have the Manheim center that stops time in an area, the nebula has the gemini effect, etc. I guess I just like messin' around with time.

As forthe saucer sep: Two ships are better than one. Even if they equal up to one ship, if they go up against one ship, that one ship must target the saucer and the hull sections independently. If you have a Borg cube (the small, low-power one like they have in A2) and a galaxy, the cube has to destroy one of the sections first. By then, it has 1/3 health left. So now you have one ship that can destroy the cube, but it has full health and the cube has only 1/3. It's the same thing as the swarm effect.:2guns:

One question - what does MVAM stand for?

posted on May 31st, 2004, 12:59 am

MVAM - Multi Vector Assault Mode

'all ships with a distinct saucer and hull sections should be able to'

Sorry to be the trek nerd guys but comp dude is half right, it's been written that most distinct ships DO have the ability to but only the Galaxy class has the hull integrity to do it at warp.

'the saucer sep didnt prove any tacticle advantage in A2'

The saucer sep did provide a small advantage, the ship as a whole had one phaser and one torpedo launcher, when seperated each section could use a phaser with the stardrive section having a photon torpedo launcher as well (watch any tactical situation in TNG with a saucer sep and the saucer does use phasers)

Hope i'm not stepping on anyones toes here

posted on May 31st, 2004, 1:23 am

Only the Galaxy could separate, it's a very well known fact.

Secondly, a separated Galaxy was generally weaker then a standard one. Most likely because the creators made each part have weaker weapons and shields then a standard one by like some 50%.

Although thats just guess, I never had any luck with a separated Galaxy.

posted on May 31st, 2004, 1:31 am

Sorry TMP

Earlier classes of starship were able to seperate although not all were capable of rejoining - evidence:

The Original Series episode The Apple: Kirk ordered Scotty to prepare seperation when the Enterprise was threatebed by god-machine Vaal

posted on May 31st, 2004, 1:31 am

only the Galaxy class has the hull integrity to do it at warp

The ships need not separate at warp.

At STARTREK.COM it says:

Some starships, such as the Galaxy-class, can seperate the saucer section from the rest of the ship in emergency situations.

"Some starships" implies that the Galaxy is not the only ship that can saucer sep.

posted on May 31st, 2004, 1:34 am

oh yeah, got mine from Star Trek Encyclopedia, all 3 versions said the same thing

posted on May 31st, 2004, 1:36 am

Well I've never seen any ship or heard of any ship being able to separate besides the Galaxy (and Prometheus). It's laughable to say the original Enterprise could separate and thats really all the evidence you have...

posted on May 31st, 2004, 1:42 am

true, stupidly laughable, just picturing the cheesy model now seprating in my head makes me wonder with disbelief and although it was said nearly 40 years ago it still was said in an episode, i guess that makes it official despite how little the evidence is

posted on May 31st, 2004, 1:44 am

I just looked up the episode on the DITL to see if there was some special mention of separation made by Kirk, there wasent. It seems like there would be more talk about it if it was really ever said...

posted on May 31st, 2004, 1:48 am

For once, and posibly this only once im gonna back TMP, If you belive everything from TOS, than you are going to run into more problems with technolgy the timeline and general trekknwolege probleems, TOS has major flaws face it.

Give me an example of one ship that can seperate besides the galaxy, MVAM not included. They also have to rejoin, or on any ship i could just pull some bolts out of the hull and the ship would fall apart, but thats not realy saucer speration when you think about it, thats the shup falling apart.

In short, only the galaxy should be able to seperate, and in A2 they gave it no realy tactle advantage, since the advantge you recieved was balanced by the disadvantages.

posted on May 31st, 2004, 1:49 am

LOL thx Chris