deep-space combat-vessels.

posted on February 15th, 2010, 5:23 pm

I am an A2 hater thank you. Second, the last statement makes no sense, picard did use that move agaisnt the farengi and it did work and he did stay in the same system. it sounds like a couple people dont like the facts. the writers wrote that in there because in the star trek universe it was possible and could be done, it's not just a one time thing.

posted on February 15th, 2010, 5:33 pm

just to clarify, i hated a2 for the simple fact that ships had no real value, spam and rush was there was to it and it really tweaked me that a defiant could be taken out by a single bird of prey. In fact that was the whole problem, the ships had no connection to the series, they were all basically lemmings. Who was it that compared to federation crew to lemmings in a tech forum? that was funny.... made me laugh.

posted on February 15th, 2010, 9:04 pm

I believe they want to warp one, or some very small warp value - and for only a second or so  . Remember the Star Trek Universe changes in every show - and even between episodes. In some of the movies and shows it was considered extremely dangerous to go to warp within a system - in others they did it all the same .

posted on February 15th, 2010, 10:01 pm

Well, actually it's just some microseconds. If one considers warp realistic, this manuver was realistic too.

posted on February 15th, 2010, 10:18 pm

I believe they want to warp one, or some very small warp value - and for only a second or so  . Remember the Star Trek Universe changes in every show - and even between episodes. In some of the movies and shows it was considered extremely dangerous to go to warp within a system - in others they did it all the same .

  Which is silly ... Warp 1 is supposed to be the same speed as Light Travels.  It takes 8 minutes for light to travel from the Sun to Earth and 8 seconds for light to travel from the Moon to Earth.

posted on February 15th, 2010, 10:30 pm

How do you get to the conclusion that light travels 8 seconds from earth to moon? Distance to moon is 380 000 000 meter, lightspeed 299 792 458 meter per second, ergo it travels just a second and a wink.

To travel 300meters just go at warp e for 1/1 000 000 seconds. hat cannot be much of a problem in the 24th century.

posted on February 15th, 2010, 10:34 pm

Sorry I got that wrong.  It takes 1.2 seconds to get from Earth to the Moon, but it takes 8.5 minutes to get from the Sun to Earth.  Earth to the Sun is (relatively) a short distance, so at Warp 1 there should be NO problem getting around in your solar system.

In fact ... how else WOULD you get around ...?

  Impulse seems to be a very very slow speed relative to Warp so really if you wanted to get anyway in anything approaching a reasonable time you'd have to be going at least Warp 1.

posted on February 15th, 2010, 11:12 pm

If you watch both shows simultaneously, you'll notice that warping inside a solar system for Trek was only risking after B-5 explains that opening a jump point inside an atmosphere is risky, especially in a hydrogen rich atmosphere like Jupiter.  Something about densely packed hydrogen having this thing called energy, or something.  And opening a space-time vortex in such an environment with tons of energy is apparently a "bad thing" where the lives of a starship crew are concerned.

So the Execs at paramount once again said, "Be more like Babylon 5", and Rick Berman tucked his tail and said, "Yes sir", and now warping inside a solar system, which as Boggz points out should be a no brainer, is now the riskiest thing this side of a Red Light District hooker.

"Wow, we warped within a solar system!  Amazing!   We're sure better than that other show about a space station that was looking for a network long before we copi.....I mean we were cleverly thought of!"

posted on February 15th, 2010, 11:24 pm

..,. Except that DS9 and Voyager brought back warping into a system (and rejected it on occasion), while Kirk's Enterprise couldn't. 

posted on February 15th, 2010, 11:41 pm

That's the other way around, isn't it?  Kirk could warp in a system.  Hell, he even slingshot around our sun at warp while in the system.

Then there's the DS9 episode where a founder was going to send his runabout into the bajoran sun and use an anti-proton-proton-neutron beam or whatever, and Dax was like "we have to go to warp to catch him, and Kira was like "Oh EM Gee!  Warping inside a solar system!!!!!  That's so crazy risky!"  That's what I'm talking about. 

posted on February 15th, 2010, 11:49 pm

That's the other way around, isn't it?  Kirk could warp in a system.  Hell, he even slingshot around our sun at warp while in the system.

Then there's the DS9 episode where a founder was going to send his runabout into the bajoran sun and use an anti-proton-proton-neutron beam or whatever, and Dax was like "we have to go to warp to catch him, and Kira was like "Oh EM Gee!  Warping inside a solar system!!!!!  That's so crazy risky!"  That's what I'm talking about. 

Aye, but it changed in every movie/episode. Kirk couldn't go to warp in Generations, and in the show there were several occasions where he couldn't go to warp until getting to a safe location. The Defiant (or a Runabout) goes to warp in more than one occasion right next to a planet though!

posted on February 16th, 2010, 2:10 am

So we conclude the science around warp is sketchy due to writer making it do whatever the heck they want.

This leaves warp up to opinion, and if I'm not mistaken, the devs have expressed that they do not want every ship to have warp like in stock a2.

posted on February 16th, 2010, 2:35 am

I could foresee some units getting various "warp-like" abilities - but I doubt it will be any of the current factions (I'm thinking Ciadan subspace travel, or Iconian specialties) ... although Kurn did engage warp drive near the surface of a sun... 

posted on February 16th, 2010, 2:52 am

That's because Kurn is awesome and doesn't worry about petty concerns like safety, or what the consequences of his actions might do to the inhabitants of that solar system.  The man doesn't even care about stabilizers, for crying out loud!!!   Who doesn't care about stabilizers?  Kurn, that's who.  End of story.

And yeah, I think the current factions have it right.  Seeing the iconians or ciadins having an ability like this would be neat.

posted on February 16th, 2010, 4:27 pm

I am an A2 hater thank you. Second, the last statement makes no sense, picard did use that move agaisnt the farengi and it did work and he did stay in the same system. it sounds like a couple people dont like the facts. the writers wrote that in there because in the star trek universe it was possible and could be done, it's not just a one time thing.

It actually does make sense. Read, it explains in more detail: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Picard_Maneuver