Couple of designs from RPG site

posted on October 16th, 2011, 12:24 pm

A forum is there to post or gather opinions. If you dont want to hear other peoples opinions, better dont post Critique is part of a developers daily life. Just visit the balancing forum for example 

But back to topic.
I actually like the saucer of the falkirk above. I dont like the overall ship, but the saucer somehow looks new and yet fedy. Thats a plus. Indeed some sources of inspiration, although I dont think any of these ships will make it directly into FO

posted on October 16th, 2011, 12:48 pm

Yes, I know what an Intrepid saucer looks like, thank you. So I'll just repeat my question:

How is the saucer like the Intrepid?

Or to clarify, the Dawnstar's saucer is practically circular. (Have you looked at the first set of images of it?)

So no, it's not like the Intrepids.

IF you're trying to be smart, be smart. two designs were proposed: Dawnstar and the other of which i cannot remember the name right now.

IF you had actually read what was written then you would have noticed that the comments regarding the intrepid saucer were directed at the 2nd design.

Now open your eyes and see the striking similarities between the saucer of the 2nd design and the Intrepid.

posted on October 16th, 2011, 1:39 pm

He wasn't talking about the dawnstar.
He was talking about the Jigoku.
That saucer does look like the intrepid's.

posted on October 16th, 2011, 2:31 pm

He wasn't talking about the dawnstar.
He was talking about the Jigoku.
That saucer does look like the intrepid's.

I point you to this comment:

Or to clarify, the Dawnstar's saucer is practically circular. (Have you looked at the first set of images of it?)

Now can we drop it, it's not my fault that you folks don't read and this is a nonsense discussion.

@majestic: I'm not trashing your designs or denying that you put a lot of work in them, but that doesn't automatically mean i like the designs either.

The round struts for the nacelles and the curves remind me too much of Romulan design and IMO it simply doesn't look right on a federation design.

[Atlantis]

posted on October 16th, 2011, 3:27 pm

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Andre27, I can read very well, thank you. Not trying to be smart, merely commenting on what you actually wrote.

It's the basic configuration which i never liked. Bulky like a fat whale.

Looked at 2nd angle. The saucer is similar to the Intrepid which is ok i guess, but the curved struts for the nacelles and the angle of the nacelles are almost Romulan. Can't say i like the design overall. Textures and all are good, but it just seems "off" somehow.

You said "2nd angle". SECOND ANGLE. NOT SECOND DESIGN. Be clearer in future.

Also to point out, the Dawnstar does have curved nacelle struts too, that may be described as looking too Romulan. Also, the 2nd angle is taken at an awkward angle that at a glance may look longer and thinner than it is. So it would be forgiven, I was merely asking you to clarify, before your first smartarse answer directing me to Memory Alpha.

And looking at the first paragraph of Majestic's post, he thought that was about the Dawnstar too.

Maybe next time you'll  check what you actually posted before telling someone they need to re-read it?

posted on October 16th, 2011, 4:10 pm

Andre27, I can read very well, thank you. Not trying to be smart, merely commenting on what you actually wrote.

You said "2nd angle". SECOND ANGLE. NOT SECOND DESIGN. Be clearer in future.


Maybe next time you'll  check what you actually posted before telling someone they need to re-read it?

Here we go again with this fools argument. Again, read and read the context of a post. I responded to a post from majestic in which he pointed out the picture with another angle of the "Jigoku" and hence i responded with a comment regarding the "2nd angle".

Again, do not go around calling out people's mistakes and trying to make them look like a fool if you do not read properly yourself.

Now let's end this idiocy. I've said why i don't like the designs, perhaps some disagree and if that's the case just deal with it.

This is not a grammar nazi forum, but again it would be nice if people actually read and read in context what was being written.

posted on October 16th, 2011, 4:35 pm

calm down people

posted on October 16th, 2011, 4:58 pm

Apologies, but it pissed me off when people repeatedly made a mistake of not reading correct and trying to point out mistakes. That was why i tried to stop the fools argument earlier.

As for majestics designs, perhaps they belong in a topic of their own instead of hijacking this topic.

[Atlantis]

posted on October 16th, 2011, 5:38 pm

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EDIT/REWRITE: (don't want to further bait anyone)

I think, given that at least two people have taken your post the wrong way, proves that it's not a "fools argument". When you make a post like that, it's simply down to a person's interpretation as to whether the second paragraph is about a second point, or simply follows on from the first paragraph.

In fact, it was due to reading the quote in your post instead of the post itself. Quotes don't include previous quotes, so to us it just looked like a post of its own, with one point following another. Simple mistake, for that I apologise.

Not everyone thinks the same way you do. You have to accept that. There is no need to get angry whenever anyone thinks differently to you (even if they are wrong, which in this case I was); it's simply poor people skills.

As for calling us "fools", there's no need for that.
As for the implication that I'm a "grammar Nazi", I would point out that this is not even a grammar issue, and you're obviously just lashing out, but I'll let it go this time.

posted on October 16th, 2011, 5:53 pm

Here we go again. Reading comprehension is comprised of reading what's being written in the context it is being written. Given that the various comments about my "comments" being wrong clearly were based upon a lack of comprehension due to lack of proper reading (i.e. reading in context) as i have clearly shown a few times now, it is a fool's argument. If you want to consider yourself a fool, i will not stop you.

While it is given on forums that people tend to skim posts, i suggest again (and again and again and again) that you check ( and double/triple check) a post and its context before claiming someone is wrong.

The clarity of my posts is fine and a lack of comprehension is therefor nowhere near my fault. I consider this my last comment. Any lashing out is due to pure and simple frustration of the lack of reading comprehension.
I'm not a native speaker and with this in mind i take care that whichever i put in writing is correct to avoid confusion among those whom are not native speakers either. Given this fact, try to understand my clear frustration by people who do not read correctly and feel the "need" to point out mistakes when in fact there are none.

posted on October 16th, 2011, 6:04 pm

Holy crap guys!  Cant we just admit a mistake and move past it?  Or do we need to get some people some Midol?  This doesn't need to be a right or wrong, nobody cares whose fault it was, just end it, and we can all be friends again?  Like butterflies fluttering in the evening sky, as fireflies buzz about, and the setting sun casts light all over the land........

I hope you enjoyed that dom

Also @ majestic, inevitably someone isn't going to like the work you do, some people don't like my replays, and while people should still be respectful about it, everyone is gonna get criticized and told their work is terrible, but you just have to ignore it.  Now as to your models, while I like the federation ships and models, I like seeing ones that are not just a circle with two sticks.  That being said I really liked your models.  I like the curves of the Dawnstar, looks really elegant, like it could be really maneuverable, I also like the cut away part of the saucer.  However I like the Jigoku perhaps even more
I really like the double pylons for the nacelles that's very nice and I always like saucers that aren't necessarily circular, so i like the triangularity there.  So basically good job! I really do like them, please post more of them if you have more. 

[Atlantis]

posted on October 16th, 2011, 6:14 pm

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Whatever, Andre27, whatever.

I made a mistake, I have admitted that, and apologised. You weren't clear, but yes, I should have picked up on the context (i.e., the clarity of the other guy's post, not yours).

Was my admission and apology not enough?

But if you have to keep having the last word, and if you can't just get over it and move on, carry on being angry, keep wasting your own time. I don't personally care.

General advice though: If you really have that much anger inside you, and need to vent your spleen that badly, go and play a sport or something. Don't take it out on others, over the Internet. There's no point.

I'm not gonna bother posting in this thread again. I would very much like to make a fresh start with you, Andre27, as I have nothing against you personally, so try not to carry your anger at me to other threads.

posted on October 16th, 2011, 10:37 pm

Also @ majestic, inevitably someone isn't going to like the work you do, some people don't like my replays, and while people should still be respectful about it, everyone is gonna get criticized and told their work is terrible, but you just have to ignore it.  Now as to your models, while I like the federation ships and models, I like seeing ones that are not just a circle with two sticks.  That being said I really liked your models.  I like the curves of the Dawnstar, looks really elegant, like it could be really maneuverable, I also like the cut away part of the saucer.  However I like the Jigoku perhaps even more
I really like the double pylons for the nacelles that's very nice and I always like saucers that aren't necessarily circular, so i like the triangularity there.  So basically good job! I really do like them, please post more of them if you have more. 

I accepted the fact in the post that the bloke didn't like them and not everyone will. I understand that it's simply a way of life. I was just stating that some people don't know how to cirque correctly, going on the positive and negative of the design is the way to do it. However this time around it was just the negative hence why post. Anyway debating this is like debating with a wall. I don't have the energy for that so I am going going to agree to disagree and move on.

Anyway I would like to say thanks Ray, I appreciate that you like the design and said something positive about it. While there is nothing wrong with the Monsoon model in-game I have always felt that this would make a great substitute to it and feel more post-Nemesis.

Unfortunately I don't have any more images, I just make the model I don't generally take images of them in-game. That is what Jetfreak does. However after doing a quick search I found these images that I have included in the attachments.

Anyway the Admins have spoken and I to avoid further complications for them as their job is hard enough as it is (speaking from experience) I will end it here and move on.

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posted on October 17th, 2011, 2:14 am

That looks gorgeous!

posted on October 17th, 2011, 2:31 am

I got bored with the argument after the first page anyway .... I really like both ships nice work Majestic. However i dont see a reason to replace either the E2 or the Monsoon because i like them too