All good things

posted on December 6th, 2012, 10:29 am

I'm sure its been asked, even though a quick search didn't hit on it.

Any chance of seeing the AGT Galaxy-X as a warp in? Or maybe as the veteran upgrade to the Galaxy? (not sure if changing the appearance like that is possible) Complete with phaser lance, I'd imagine she would have been outfitted with quantums, even tho we never see her fire torpedoes to know for sure. I could live without the cloak to be honest.

Always loved that thing.

posted on December 6th, 2012, 11:08 am

Unlikely. It has fans (like myself), but people here usually use the faulty 'alternate time = never can or will exist in any other timeline ever' logic.

It's like people think that timeline has exlusive rights to the Galaxy-X.

posted on December 6th, 2012, 11:22 am

I never got that argument.

Someone, or some team, somewhere had to design that refit. Just because the D never refit like that doesn't mean it wasn't on a drawing board at Utopia Planitia.

posted on December 6th, 2012, 11:41 am

I like the Galaxy-X, made a real-life model of one once, but I find from a design point of view, it's like they tried to turn an ocean liner into a battleship. The Sovereign is a far more logical design step. No matter how you try and trim the fat off it, the Galaxy is still a whale of a ship, packed with all the fluffy bunny research, science and diplomatic stuff that the spandex-wearing, always-consulting-the-ships-councillor-before-doing-anything generation of the 2360s loved When the Borg decided to pop round and have a chat and a digestive, and the Dominion thought that Bajor seemed like a nice place to hang out, the Galaxy showed that it was a ship that won the peace, not the war.

So as much as I like the look of it, I can't rationalise it at all. The artistic and the logical sides of my brain really do clash on this one!

posted on December 6th, 2012, 3:43 pm

"Yesterday's Enterprise" showed the Galaxy class as a combination battleship and troop carrier (6000 soldiers aboard I think). Considering the parameters of the battle* in that episode, the ship performed exceptionally well.

* The parameters being: 1) Prevent the Klingons from getting between the Enterprise-C and the temporal rift; 2) Draw fire from the Enterprise-C; 3) Continue to do so until the Enterprise-C enters the rift; 4) Survival is not necessary.

posted on December 6th, 2012, 3:58 pm

i sort of like the refit. i cant make up my mind about it, but at the end of the day wasnt it just
"lets slap on some add-on pieces to make it look more future-y"

tbh im now against it being in fleet ops other than possibly a map object.

posted on December 6th, 2012, 4:17 pm

In fairness Madhatter, that was a Galaxy Class of a different timeline where it would have been designed from the ground up as a battleship rather than "putting it on a diet" during the Dominion War.

posted on December 6th, 2012, 5:09 pm

The main one is a ship of peace, but it was still very well armed, capable of fighting the warships of aliens (when it isn't fighting the plot instead) and is given to the best crews. Even the D'deridex often came in groups against one, which says something considering how arrogant Romulans tend to be.

It's like the embodiment of the Federation; made with peace in mind, yet capable of matching the best enemies in a fair fight.

posted on December 6th, 2012, 6:10 pm

and is as elegant and streamlined as Scotty in a TNG Onesie

I guess I am just not a fan of the Galaxy. It does as you've said embody the TNG Federation, all fluffy and cuddly and "ooh lets talk about ethics whilst the Romulans sit off our bow warming up their disruptors". I guess I am a TMP Man at heart; shoot first ask questions later. Proper military uniforms, metal floors not plush carpet on the bridge, buttons on consoles not LCARS, no spandex.

I digress, but the Galaxy is still whale like, and even with a refit you are trying to turn a whale into a shark. You get a sort of, basking shark out of it, but not a lean predator like a Sovereign or even an Excelsior.

posted on December 7th, 2012, 3:28 am

Wasn't there some cardinal rule of warp nacelles supposed to be in pairs that they were criticised for in that episode? You have even numbers of nacelles and they has to be space in between them for the warp field to be generated, at least that was what the guy that designed the Romulan warbird said.

posted on December 7th, 2012, 5:06 am

Galaxy-class ships achieved warp flight through two warp nacelles, which housed multiple pairs of warp coils. (TNG: "Eye of the Beholder")

So it doesn't violate the rules on a technicality.

posted on December 7th, 2012, 5:16 am

Yep, there are a number of "rules" for Federation ship design that Roddenberry laid down and Probert has discussed. But remember, the future seen in "All Good Things" violates a number of rules (Warp 13 is another example).

As for the "Yesterday's Enterprise" Galaxy -- while soft canon, it's reasonably established that the Galaxy Class project was in gestation for 30 years all told; so quite a few of the basics (spaceframe, systems that likely wouldn't change) would have been settled by that point. Not entirely bred for war, but not so much a product of relative peace, either.

posted on December 7th, 2012, 6:45 am

I'd rather see a super defiant myself. Just upscale it by a few factors and give it 20 quantum torpedo launchers and 100 pulse phasers. It should also be constructed entirely of carbon neutronium or whatever that stuff that the Dyson sphere was made out of. They said on the show that it was impervious to weapons.

posted on December 7th, 2012, 1:17 pm

Yep, there are a number of "rules" for Federation ship design that Roddenberry laid down and Probert has discussed. But remember, the future seen in "All Good Things" violates a number of rules (Warp 13 is another example).

No more than several prime-universe ships. Those 'rules' never seemed to be much of a priority or were handwaved backstage.

I thought Warp 10 was a Voyager invention?

posted on December 7th, 2012, 9:18 pm

The Voyager episode with the warp 10 plot was by far the stupidest Voyager episode ever, and that is saying alot since Voyager had lots of stupid episodes to choose from.

You reach warp 10 which is theoretically impossible because you occupy all points in space at once or something like that and then for some goofy reason you automatically turn into lizards! WTF? Who wrote that crap?

The only other episodes that exceeded it for just plain screwing over the Star Trek Universe is a tie between the one where they reach the edge of the universe (impossible) or the episode where they announce all bazillion possible alternate universes which completely removed any real risk for the Federation from then on because no matter what happened you could at least die know that somewhere in another timeline the Federation and you yourself were doing just peachy. Most annoying and stupidest episodes EVER!