3rd Avatar for all races - a rogue of sorts

posted on March 20th, 2009, 3:42 pm

The problem is that rogue Starfleet have a habit of using Cloak's, which normal Starfleet would rather avoid (Pressman actually had the only canon, working Phase Cloak I know of).

[Anonymous]

posted on March 20th, 2009, 3:44 pm

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The problem is that rogue Starfleet have a habit of using Cloak's, which normal Starfleet would rather avoid (Pressman actually had the only canon, working Phase Cloak I know of).

can you demonstrate which rogue starfleet members have actually used cloaks in canon other than pressman.

Doesn't qualify as a "habit".

Let's not lose perspective on what we want here. The motive of this thread is to get ideas on how to implement the 3rd avatar.
Optec already confirmed his intention to eventually include them

So let's avoid trying to stymie the feature with irrelevant arguments that don't even support themselves, and start contributing with creative ideas on what we as players would like to see.

posted on March 20th, 2009, 3:56 pm

can you demonstrate which rogue starfleet members have actually used cloaks in canon other than pressman.

Doesn't qualify as a "habit".

Does the Admiral from Inssurection count as rogue?

posted on March 20th, 2009, 4:11 pm

didnt he have the backing of the fed council? also, was it his cloaking device or that from the sonaa?
I saw nothing that was Fed with that admiral or any indication that he used cloaking as part of Fed tech.

If you want to have feds with cloaks, then propose it as an idea. this thread is aimed at getting ideas for the 3rd avatar, please feel free to share your ideas.

posted on March 20th, 2009, 4:39 pm

The holoship was federation, and no evidence contradicts that it was a federation cloaking device. His backing from the federation council for me, feels very like Pressman's backing from Reaner (and apparently the Chief of Starfleet Intelligence...are they the same?).

Seems to me like Starfleet does secretly want to encourage the use of cloaking devices, so far we have Admiral Pressman (presumably incacerated), Reaner, Dougherty (deceased), Chief of Starfleet Intelligence, and presumably Section 31 wouldn't be opposed to the idea: "For the good of the Federation" Pressman/Section 31

Just one ship with a phase cloak would be enough for me, heck put an oberth in there or when the nova is put in game.


Oh and by the way, Section 31 should not be an avatar. Possibly a couple of researches or at most a dedicated station, but no more. If you want the federation to have a faceless avatar that acts with a little discretion, make it Starfleet Intelligence.

[Anonymous]

posted on March 20th, 2009, 4:47 pm

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I trust our mods to maintain uniqueness of the avatars, and not regurgitate rommie-style gameplay across the board. especially since the details provided for the specific avatars do not entail rom style gameplay for any. Rogue does not necessitate subterfuge romulan style. there are many different variants thereof, and i was hoping to bring those to the fore.

Feds - special research and forbidden weaponry such as toned down biogenic and subspace weapons on lower end chassis like excelsiors to compensate for lack of defiants and sovs and akiras and intrepids.
I was driving at miranda, excelsior, constellation class type ships for this avatar. those ships will be bumped up with special weaons that will compensate for the chassis' lack of strength.

I wouldnt even mind seeing a class or 2 of this avatar with renegade cloaking tech.

Klings - yes there will be a slight rommie aspect here, as dishonor in klingon terms is treachery, conspiracy etc. But im sure our mods will develop a uniquely kling style here, and not a rommie regurgitation.

Reman-Sela - this is not typical rommie style. Remans are aggressive and forceful. Sela willbring with her the talshiar treachery and special weapons such as phase cloak and holoemitters akin to the shadow in A1. So this although rommie, will be quite unique from the current rommie style.
Ships range from mid-cruisers to the D'Deridex to a scimitaresque battleship.


Cardassian/Dominion - This avatar finds more constraints in storyline than in any other point.
It should be clarified that the Jem are dissidents here. they are breaking away from the dominion after learning about the noxter-jem link and what the Founders did there as per Optec's Noxter storyline.
Although still part of the dominion, they are breaking away from the mainstay fleet. no vorta and no founder here.
they ally with the Sonaa for K-white.
The cardassian dissidents are disgruntled dissidents from their own govt. Seeing a chance in typical cardassian style of "enemy of my enemy is my friend" to undermine the dominion from within, and have a chance at defeating the other alpha quadrant powers, these dissidents join together as a rogue avatar for the Dominion tech tree.

The ships here are more cardassian galors, keldons and hideki, jem'hadar battlecruisers, jem'hadar scarabs, and Sona'a cruisers.
Upgrades and chassis refits are the way this avatar will go.



Borg erradicate - name says it all. no subterfuge, just plain attacks w/o assimilation or holding beam modules for takeover of ships. focus on obliteration.
in keeping with this variant, the assimilate avatar should have slightly reduced weapon strength as compared to this avatar, with more powerful holding beams and the assimilators of that avatar should increase supply at a certain number of crew assimilated = 1 supply unit.
optimize will need to be made more optimized in nature with more efficient mining and weaponry.

Please feel free to venture ideas of what we would like to see the 3rd avatar as.
The purpose of this thread is to develop on the 3rd avatar for all races.

These are just my ideas.

Please share your constructive ideas as to how you would prefer to see the 3rd avatar and what you would envision and not waste our time with ridiculous arguments of what Pressman did here and what Picard did there.

If you have a specific design or idea please state it instead of trying to simply poke holes in ideas already proposed with "I do not think section 31 should be an avatar".. ok. what's your alternative? what's your idea?
that's more relevant and the actual purpose of this thread.

posted on March 20th, 2009, 6:12 pm

Didn't something happen in voyager where a bunch of drones got disconnected from the hive? would that somehow work as a third avatar? Independence maybe?

posted on March 20th, 2009, 6:34 pm

Without Lore manipulating them, they became pacifists who just wanted to be left alone.

posted on March 20th, 2009, 6:42 pm

Lore had nothing to do with the Borg Co-operative, he manipulated a seperate group of Borg.

The Co-operative live in isolation on a single planet in the Delta Quadrent, in '3rd-world' conditions.

posted on March 20th, 2009, 6:45 pm

Ah, forgot them.  However, both groups of 'Free' Borg just pretty much wanted to hang out and be left in peace.

posted on March 20th, 2009, 9:49 pm

I would say Obliteration works fine for the Borg already. 

I was thinking rather about the Borg that have been freed from the collective but continue to stick together as they are not really Humans, Klingons and whatever anymore. We saw that on Voyager (Unimatrix Zero).
They could be some sort of nicer Borg or just powerhungry and bitter Conquerors.

As they dropped out of the collective some time ago, they have to adapt the old fashioned way, by researching new tech. Probably their ships would have less crew than standard Borg vessels and would certainly not assimilate anything, normal boarding is another matter.

Unimatrix Zero is a perfect name for that 3rd Avatar. 

posted on March 21st, 2009, 8:32 am

actually i got a much beter idea for 3rd avatar, the idividual borg, that lore led, theyd be perfect, to show a different side of the borg,the avatar picutue could either be lore or hue

posted on March 21st, 2009, 8:33 am

Yeah, I love the Cardassians and want them in the game badly...but separate from the Dominion.

posted on March 21st, 2009, 1:34 pm

It doesn´t really matter if those Borg are the Lore Borg or the Unimatrix Borg, the fact that they´re different and "rogues" (at least from the perspective of the collective) suffices.

posted on March 21st, 2009, 1:37 pm

What about the Cybermen?