3rd Avatar for all races - a rogue of sorts

[Anonymous]

posted on March 19th, 2009, 9:31 pm

Last edited by Anonymous on March 19th, 2009, 10:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.

At this time we have 2 avatars that specifically cater to bringing out the specific qualities and traits of the race in question with each avatar focusing on specific attributes that are quintessential to the race - example  borg assimilation or optimization.

We have several disjointed threads pertaining to changes or new features, and some broached on additional avatars.

With this thread we would like to propose the inclusion of an additional 3rd avatar for all the major races of FO

We would envision this 3rd avatar as a rogue of sorts. More an avatar that rejects the primary values of the race and functions as a negative or anti-avatar for that race.

to exemplify:

For the feds we can have - as has been suggested already - Section 31. this avatar would focus more on lower end ships perhaps up to the excelsior, but would have those ships upgraded with more research and special abilities that would make them tougher in combat, to take on sovs and descents of the other 2 avatars.

Klingons could have an avatar that brings out the more dishonorable traits - for klingons focusing on treachery and romulanish tactics... but with a definite klingon twist. A sneaky, venomous and low down avatar. Someone like Toral or Ambassador kel from the TNG episode where Laforge was captured and brainwashed by the Rommies.
for example - Conspiracy could be an ability. it would enable the klingon side using the ability to temporarily bring down the shields of the enemy or knock out his sensors.

Romulans could have the Romulan/reman renegades as the 3rd avatar. Headed by Sela - who herself is a romulan-human half-breed who has fallen from grace in the empire after the failed invasion of vulcan, she finds new vigour with the Remans who too are a fallen side.
this side will have baisc romulan ships up to the D'Deridex. no norexans and no Tavs.
We can have a cap apply - and u guessed it - have scimitaresque ships as this side's Tav equivalent.
Abilties will shift.
for example - this side in keeping wth reman aggressiveness and sela's tal'shiar style treachery would have abilties ranging from boarding party take overs of ships to sensor confusion akin to the A1 stock's shadow's ability to confuse enemy sensors into thinking the allies are enemies.

Dominion would have the Dominion/Cardassian rogue avatar. this groups comprises dissident jem'hadar. no vorta and of course no founders. they are break away jem'hadar group that found allies to bolster their ranks with cardassian military dissidents who are disgruntled with the course of the current cardassia.
Both jemhadar and cardassian fueled by their hatred for the mainstay dominion, fed, and cardassian sides.
Abilities will range from obsidian order style sabotages and cloak and dagger to jem'hadar aggression and rams. also, the ship range will change and will include more galors, keldons, hidekis, v and u battlecruisers, and scarab ships. No dom dreadnought even for mixed tech.
instead we refit the keldons and galors accordingly.

borg will embody Erradicate as the primary objective.
this will all but remove the assimilation weapons and instead move towards more destructive weapons and abilities.

Please feel free to share your views and ideas as to whether this would be viable, and if so how you would like to see it expanded on.

[Optec]

posted on March 19th, 2009, 9:36 pm

Last edited by Optec on March 19th, 2009, 9:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Aye als already rumored in other topics, new avatars for all races are planed for the future, but will take a while as we have already some other new features on todo at the moment.

I'm always open to your ideas, sounds interessting.

By the way Taqroja is already quite dishonorable (a honorable Klingon wouldn't go for artillery). Speaking from her background story she's a clone of the Duras sisters that grew up as the wive of a orion pirate leader and didn't know anything about her people for a long time. as she heard from her species and the house of duras she assembled the old (and now dishonored and cast-away) allies of the house of duras and attempts to fight for her place in the empire - and life in general.

posted on March 19th, 2009, 9:40 pm

"Strength is irrelevant. Resistance is futile. We wish to improve ourselves. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service ours."

....in short...the Borg approve!

posted on March 19th, 2009, 11:45 pm

I absolutely love the idea of a Sela and Reman team up for an avatar, seeing as Sela was my favorite characted in A1 (tricking the Borg to destroy Toral was just epic.)

For the Dominion I think Optec mentioned the Sona and other minor races were involved with their third avatar.

[Anonymous]

posted on March 19th, 2009, 11:48 pm

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I absolutely love the idea of a Sela and Reman team up for an avatar, seeing as Sela was my favorite characted in A1 (tricking the Borg to destroy Toral was just epic.)

For the Dominion I think Optec mentioned the Sona and other minor races were involved with their third avatar.

Of course. the sona allied with the dominion and cardassians in the war.
They'd be perfect allies for the Cardy/Jem dissidents - particularly since they were capable of producing ketracel white
since the sona only have 2 canon ships, the cardies 3 and the jem hadar 2-3. These 3 together could easily make up the 3rd dissident/rogue avatar of the Dominion.

The Son'aa are natural rogues if u recollect their origins and history

A perfect combo for the 3rd dom avatar, which i would envision as being less varied in hulls, but more upgrade oriented 

Good one Neph 

posted on March 20th, 2009, 1:01 am

It would most likely be Son'a, Dominion & Breen since the Cardassians hate the Dominion and are not likely to ever ally with them again.

[Anonymous]

posted on March 20th, 2009, 2:22 am

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It would most likely be Son'a, Dominion & Breen since the Cardassians hate the Dominion and are not likely to ever ally with them again.

if you were to read a little carefully, i suggested a jem'hadar dissident group that itself hates the dominion.
no vorta and no founders.
so the cardy-dom hate issue is now completely irrelevant

posted on March 20th, 2009, 2:46 am

Jem'Hadar dissidents... would never happen. Their loyalty is genetcally programmed into them.

posted on March 20th, 2009, 3:31 am

if you were to read a little carefully, i suggested a jem'hadar dissident group that itself hates the dominion.
no vorta and no founders.
so the cardy-dom hate issue is now completely irrelevant

The Founders gave the order, but who did the killing?

Jem'Hadar dissidents... would never happen. Their loyalty is genetcally programmed into them.

Can happen and has. In canon.

[Anonymous]

posted on March 20th, 2009, 3:43 am

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The Founders gave the order, but who did the killing?

Can happen and has. In canon.

the founders gave the order, and the loyal following jems did the killing.


These are dissident jems who are against the dominion. There is no canon source to specify that cardassians would hate the jem'hadar who desert the dominion, especially if they can use the foot soldiers.

in fact in canon the cardassians are the ever-ready opportunists. they would ally with their most hated adversary if it suited the moment, and then when no longer needed, they would destroy them

so the argument being raised here is more from a human standpoint and not a cardassian one.

Here we have jems that hate the Dominion, and cardassians that hate the Dominion as well as their own govt and the feds.
Enemy of my enemy is my friend is the cardassian mantra.

in fact it is more in keeping with the cardassian nature that via the Sonaa where they have sought refuge, they ally with dissident jems who too have sought refuge with sonaa ketracel white providers.
an alliance of convenience.

and it is such an alliance which makes this avatar the anti-avatar of the Dominion. It comprises groups that are the anti-dominion, who hate the principle and concept of the dominion.

the sonaa would sell their mothers for power - and literally almost did in insurrection - so they would back the side where they see a chance at profit and gain, and more importantly a return to prominence after the loss in the dominion war and the events of insurrection.

So in this setup, i do not see any conflict with our  storyline, instead a good chance at creating the quintessential dominion dissident avatar.

splitting hairs on now clearly irrelevant points is an exercise in futility.

posted on March 20th, 2009, 3:46 am

Jem'Hadar dissidents... would never happen. Their loyalty is genetcally programmed into them.

ull need to watch a little more DS9 

posted on March 20th, 2009, 3:54 am

I can confirm there were at least 2 episodes involving renegade Jem'Hadar.  one was  called "To The Death" and the other "Hippocratic Oath."  I tried looking them up... pretty easy to find. 

posted on March 20th, 2009, 6:30 am

Sounds like more of a new race than a new avatar

posted on March 20th, 2009, 8:18 am

I totally agree that there should be third avatar for all the races, and that it should play slightly differently to the race's norm.

But I don't think Section 31 should be an entire avatar. Starfleet intelligence, certainly, and perhaps even with Section 31 as rare spcial units (mixed tech?) but definitely not a whole team of them.

"Dishonest" Klingons is good too, but it could end up too similar to the above and even detract from the idea of the USUALLY sneaky romulans!

A disgruntled Sela avatar for the romulans is a great idea, but again if the Remans are included they would have to be as rarer units... And for the Scimitar, well, I personally can't believe that everyone who knew how to build one is dead The only problem with this is how to make sure this avatar would not (normally) actually be fighting against the other two "loyal romulans". Unless of course it's all for the "good of the empire" etc.

I don't feel the Dominion/Cardassian avatar should be "rogue". And are they even allied with the cardassians still now?

"Eradication" for a borg avatar is also a good idea.


I guess the only major problem I see in this is that I can hear the devs in my head yelling "Noooo! Not everyone can play like the Romulans!!!". It might even make the other avatars seem a little... boring...

posted on March 20th, 2009, 11:37 am

ull need to watch a little more DS9 

Oops, sorry. That is quite true, it's been a long time since I saw it. When I posted, I had some kind of nagging feeling in the back of my head about it... Ah well.

I got my information (this time) from reading websites etc, and now I find out that it's bunk. Hah, it's my college essays all over again. =D