There is something in particular you should be aware of.

posted on September 11th, 2009, 11:18 pm

V-15 Dreadnought is the Dreadnought. V-13 Battleship is the Battleship 

posted on September 11th, 2009, 11:19 pm

Damn. Twice today you have to correct me. And with reason.

I'm slipping in my old age (44).

posted on September 14th, 2009, 1:31 pm

Can someone remind me why the B-5 fighter carrier proto counts in the fleet cap? Because to me it annoys how I'd only have four true carriers and one dumbed down one. That is why I usually go for the Fed's mixed tech yard so I can have 5 true carriers.

Besides, shouldn't the Dreadnought be classified as the bigger ship than a battleship? For some reason the word dreadnought sounds like a huge vessel with power that you'd hate to mess with. The battleship sounds more of a frontline vessel, but to me doesn't sound as big and powerful.

posted on September 14th, 2009, 1:37 pm

Can someone remind me why the B-5 fighter carrier proto counts in the fleet cap? Because to me it annoys how I'd only have four true carriers and one dumbed down one. That is why I usually go for the Fed's mixed tech yard so I can have 5 true carriers.

I think that is going to be sorted...

Besides, shouldn't the Dreadnought be classified as the bigger ship than a battleship? For some reason the word dreadnought sounds like a huge vessel with power that you'd hate to mess with. The battleship sounds more of a frontline vessel, but to me doesn't sound as big and powerful.

As far as I know (though, I'm no expert) Battleships are usually the most powerful and heavily armored ships of their time.

posted on September 14th, 2009, 1:38 pm

I think a battleship is the most powerful standard vessel. A dreadnought would be a more powerful but limited construction type of vessel (something that is not yet a standard battle unit).

posted on September 14th, 2009, 2:04 pm

Thats true, but balancing wise a new class makes no real sense, as only a hand full of vessels would apply to it. Therefore we decided to use battleship for large goodies like the Tavara or the Dreadnought

posted on September 14th, 2009, 3:38 pm

The Nautical term "Dreadnaught"  Is applied to any  battleship  Equipped with more Armor,protected sub systems, larger  caliber weponds and more of them  than  the standard  battleships . Normally  A very limited  production ship.Those  extra and larger caliber upgraded  weapond systems  allow a longer engaugement times. The Additional Armor is added to help survivalbility of the engaugements. In Naval warefare the dreadnaughts  main task was to engauge opponent battleships and hopefully sending them to the bottom.  Secondary tasks can be to engauge  the opponent battleship and tie it up till  other  support ships can engauge it the fleet the  opponent  battle group.  The Dreadnaughts Class  has fallen out of favor (post WWII)  because  of  modern  ship to ship missles  Eliminating such a large expenditure of  resourses.  Now a crusier can engauge and sink a battle ship  with rarely being seen by the battleship.  This is due partly to the small size of the radar profile of the cruiser and the long ranges of  most  anti ship missles. In the Age of Dreadnaughts  the upper  limit range of engaugement was  not much over 21 miles, now it can be in the hundreds of miles.

posted on September 14th, 2009, 3:59 pm

So I was right when Dreadnoughts are more powerful but not oftenly produced. That leaves me with the question as to why some games have the Dreadnoughts and Battleships switched? Is it because of a lack of knowing the definition of the word, or just that the game just has its own dictionary?

posted on September 14th, 2009, 4:14 pm

So I was right when Dreadnoughts are more powerful but not oftenly produced. That leaves me with the question as to why some games have the Dreadnoughts and Battleships switched? Is it because of a lack of knowing the definition of the word, or just that the game just has its own dictionary?

Sounds cooler....

posted on September 14th, 2009, 5:15 pm

Sounds cooler....

That's the only reason I've ever seen for now... I mean, dreadnought as a term to describe battleships has been dropped, and dreadnoughts can also describe battlecruisers. Either way, the term is archaic and battleships, battlecruisers and pre-dreadnoughts are all better terms. After the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922 the term 'dreadnought' began to fall out of service simply as pre-dreadnoughts began to be scrapped. Thus dreadnought is a very vague descriptor now. Although sometimes battleships in WWII were referred to as dreadnoughts, they are mostly considered battleships. The important thing to remember is that dreadnoughts and battleships are the same thing, except that Dreadnoughts also encompass a few other weight classes... 

posted on September 14th, 2009, 5:30 pm

Yeah... for me it's "battleship or anything heavier", can be considered a dreadnought.

posted on September 14th, 2009, 6:13 pm

Another reason for people making the 'dreadnought is below battleship' thing could be this.

In Timothy Zahn's Star Wars books, Grand Admiral Thrawn retrieves the Katana-fleet, made of Old Republic Dreadnoughts.  These ships couldn't stand up to a VSDII, ISD, MonCal Cruiser, etc.  However, they were built pre-Star Destroyer.  In their day, they -were- the giant scary mega-battleships.

But, with people not thinking about that, and since ISDs are considered 'battleships', and the Katana Dreadnoughts were weaker than them...

Toss in that Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire trilogy is ridiculously popular, and it could play a large contributing role.

posted on September 14th, 2009, 6:15 pm

Yes, if for that matter consider if we were to build new battleships--these would be called battleships, not dreadnoughts (as the term has fallen out of favor) and the old "battleships" (some known as dreadnoughts) would be far inferior. Thus Silent's reasoning seems accurate to me

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posted on September 14th, 2009, 6:16 pm

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Another reason for people making the 'dreadnought is below battleship' thing could be this.

In Timothy Zahn's Star Wars books, Grand Admiral Thrawn retrieves the Katana-fleet, made of Old Republic Dreadnoughts.  These ships couldn't stand up to a VSDII, ISD, MonCal Cruiser, etc.  However, they were built pre-Star Destroyer.  In their day, they -were- the giant scary mega-battleships.

But, with people not thinking about that, and since ISDs are considered 'battleships', and the Katana Dreadnoughts were weaker than them...

Toss in that Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire trilogy is ridiculously popular, and it could play a large contributing role.

Maybe... but for those who haven't read Zahn's books. Here is a real world example: A modern Battleship Versus a Wood and sail Dreadnought.... who will win.... Exactly... Name means nothing.

(Edit: Spelling)

posted on September 14th, 2009, 6:22 pm

....................................................................... Whatever... I'll stick to the idea of Dreads being bigger but not commonly built, but battleships being powerful (not as much thoguh) but being more commonly constructed.