Steam runner replacement?

posted on May 26th, 2010, 2:28 am

Well, actually one of the themes of the Federation is that most of their ships are actually deep space explorers, and thus, are jacks of all trades, designed to work without reliable support.

Even the Sovvie, basically a warship, uses the reliable beam phaser that can engage everything, backed up by torpedoes.  True specialist ships, honestly should be kinda rare for the Feds.  It's just not their style.

posted on May 26th, 2010, 2:32 am

The Defiant and Oberth are the only true specialised ships in canon.

posted on May 26th, 2010, 2:52 am

guys honestly, you do this to every post at some point,

some of us are trying to actually discuss this in a serious manner, if you cant deal with what people say, then dont respond to it,

OH MY!   The wheel turns, does it not, Ray?

I think many of us have made our arguments quite clear, so I don't feel the need to repeat them again.  In any event, you're twisting those arguments beyond their intent to suit your own ends; creating an impasse for any sort of discussion until you can both understand and acknowledge those arguments, instead of dismissing them with hyperbole.   So you really think we should "rebalance" all the other ships, just to add in another buildable artillery ship/siege vessel that the federation doesn't need?

Nice use of the word "allege", btw.

posted on May 26th, 2010, 2:57 am

i would disagree, the nebula is a science ship, the miranda is a sturdy, warship, the excelsior is an warp testbed, the steamrunner is supposed to be a phaser ship, the akira is supposed to be a torp ship, the galaxy was a exploration city ship, the nova was a long range science exploration ship, intrepid is a bioneural testbed and other stuff, promethius was a mvam ship, i think they do have ships that are specialized

however i think they are all around good but excel in one area, for instance the nova was a science deep space exploration ship, but it still had some phasers,

posted on May 26th, 2010, 3:08 am

Almost every Starfleet ship is designed with exploration and combat in mind and are capable of multiple other tasks not focused on either goal. Diplomatic escort, standard escort, research, patrol, etc (even evacuation).

Main purposes: Excelsior was a Battleship-turned-Cruiser, Nebula is a smaller and slightly less-capable but cheaper Galaxy, Nova is a short-term planetary surveyor/Destroyer. Prometheus was a deep-space tactical cruiser, Intrepid is a heavy scout/Destroyer and the Galaxy is everything except assimilation.

posted on May 26th, 2010, 3:09 am

Most of the ship classes don't seem to have a specific goal or purpose; we just try to guess it from what we see them do in the show.

posted on May 26th, 2010, 3:12 am

Defiant, Prometheus and Nova are the only ones I think ever gave a 'formal' description of intent.

posted on May 26th, 2010, 3:19 am

Yeah, consider this.  The Excelsior, once the most asskicking ship of it's time, was a replacement for the Constitution class...which was an explorer.  The reason the Excel was such a beatstick is that as the federation pushed deeper and deeper, they found more and more things that wanted to beat them up.  So they put heavier shields and bigger guns on their explorers.

The Ambassador, in some ways, was the replacment for the Excelsior.  The Galaxy was the replacement for the Ambassador.  The Sovereign replaced the Galaxy.  It's a long line of heavily armed and shielded explorer ships.

It wasn't until Wolf 359/Dominion War that Starfleet was allowed to build pure military vessels.  Until then, the only truely specialized ships were designed to study stuff the explorers found, move cargo, or treat the ill.

The Intrepid, for all it's new technology, was a return to old form.  A ship capable of nearly any job, designed to be able to go long distances (though not quite Delta Quadrant) with little support, and see what's out there.

posted on May 26th, 2010, 3:55 am

I hate to say this but i feel the Ambassador was truly the first real heavy starship that had combat in mind. I feel her frame a very sturdy one, much more sturdy than the Galaxy Class.

[Tyler]

posted on May 26th, 2010, 3:57 am

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Ambassadors were designed when the trouble was dying down, Constitution and Excelsiors were designed before the Praxis incident. The latter was when war was a constent problem, the former was when things were more stable.

Ambassador, Excelsior and Constitution are all Heavy Cruisers but the Excelsior was the only Battleship-type in the group.

The Galaxy is more durable than any red shirt Federation ship in the series, including ones not called Enterprise.

posted on May 26th, 2010, 7:23 am

i would disagree, the nebula is a science ship, the miranda is a sturdy, warship, the excelsior is an warp testbed, the steamrunner is supposed to be a phaser ship, the akira is supposed to be a torp ship, the galaxy was a exploration city ship, the nova was a long range science exploration ship, intrepid is a bioneural testbed and other stuff, promethius was a mvam ship, i think they do have ships that are specialized

however i think they are all around good but excel in one area, for instance the nova was a science deep space exploration ship, but it still had some phasers,

some of that is wrong, the miranda was a starfleet cruiser, in 2360 onwards some of them were retired, became civilian ships, they carried no more then 35 crew.

the excelsior was a battleship of its day, it could easily outmatch the ever old constitution class, your right it was a testing bed for TRANS-warp idea, but known Montgomery Scott's loyalty to the enterprise and Kirk, he pulled some pins out of that drive and it ultimately failed spectacularly its one of the main reasons why that idea never got out of limbo no matter how hard starfleeet tried, besides that the ship didnt get any quicker then warp 7 until some were refit, in 2360 most of these aging ships still can hold their own in combat however its just a cruiser these days mostly ferrying VIPs, exploring and science missions.

it is true the steamrunner always used phasers, someone in A1 thought it was a good idea to use the rear end deflector dish as a weapons port for a tri-cobolt explosive round and remove the phasers. i dodnt think it wasa good idea then and still dont. but its a cruiser and not many of them exist.

the Akira was supposed to be able to match most other cruisers in existance and hold their own in a fight which is designed the way it is, it only has one torpedo tube for firing several photons at a time, it also has a whoping great phaser strip on the top and bottom forward saucer section. i doubt its a torpedo boat.

the galaxy was supposed to be a ship of great prestige, the pride of starfleet.. well until recently that is, it has a major design flaw which ended its service on the spot really, these ships had the works and still be able to destroy other battleships in its class.

the nova is NOT a long range ship, it is a short range planetary survey science ship, it has got around 70 crew and not alot of space for anything big, its limited in warp speed because of it. its not designed for combat, but like any military starfleet ship it's adequately armed for a fight in needed.

the intrepid even without the bioneutral gelpacks, its idea is to be a small warship and escort cruiser as it was designed as such.

the prometheus :guns: probably the most elaborate ship design ever constructed, MVAM was uber(super) powerful . but thats more like speculation to that end as its real design idea was never shown on screen. everyone always thought the MVAM was its main idea, i would assume its supposed to be a supporting heavy cruiser for delicate transport missions.

posted on May 26th, 2010, 7:46 am

Remember Folks, FO Canon Is NOT = To Star Trek Canon, as far as its convenient to THIS PARTICULAR GAME.  Certain Ships Need To Fill Certain Holes/Roles.  If you want it officialized, since some of you seem to need that for whatever reason, *The alternate FO universe Starfleet decided that blah blah ship should be blah blah etc...  etc, etc...*

Your Star Trek Canon Means NOTHING here.  Accept it and poke yourself with sharp things.  HAHAHAH!

Does The Phrase Mutually Exclusive Mean Anything Anymore?!!  Can we switch this forum to Deutsch?  Bitte Schon?!!!

*=Whatever...

posted on May 26th, 2010, 7:48 am

on the contrary proffesor j, what you learn when you have been in fleetops for a while is that the people in here, they only use cannon when it is helpful to them, and dismisss it when it is not

posted on May 26th, 2010, 7:58 am

The Steamrunner is indeed on todo for some changes. Just be patient and see what the future might bring

posted on May 26th, 2010, 8:01 am

on the contrary proffesor j, what you learn when you have been in fleetops for a while is that the people in here, they only use cannon when it is helpful to them, and dismisss it when it is not

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