Negh'var

posted on July 9th, 2009, 8:14 pm

From the guide: Negh'var
Vessel size: Large
Offense: 5036
Defense: 36/44
System Value: 16
Vessel Speed: 70
Weapon range: Short

Weapon Overload: A concentrated ion-burst will deal incredible amounts of damage to a single hostile target, enough to blast away a smaller unit with a single shot. The ion torpedo launcher will have a cool down period for 30 seconds. Long range. Researched at Imperial Research.
Rank 5 gains Warship Torpedo: deals increased damage to buildings.
Veteran gains 2x Warship Cannon: deals increased damage to battleships.
Veteran Offense/Defense/System: 77/79(87)/18
Consumes 9 slots out of 25

Looks like a behemoth doesn't it. Good firepower, decent defense, ion burst and when it goes veteran/elite watch out.
Yet for some strange reason the only thing the Negh'var seems to be good at is giving target practice to it's opponents.

The disruptor cannons have an alarming low rate of fire, it has a short range and system value is pretty low so shields recharge very slowly.

The ion burst which could be interesting slows down the other weapon systems ROF even further.
Give the Klingon flagship at least a chance to get to veteran status.

Either increase the rate of fire, increase it's range to medium or increase the System value so the shields increase faster.

Or give it a cloak to escape when being overpowered by hordes of small/medium vessels.

The Klingon flagship is almost not worth building in either defensive or offensive role.

posted on July 9th, 2009, 8:26 pm

Yeah I think its short weapons range is the largest factor inhibiting it from being awesome. That's why Vorcha's are the mainstay of the klingon fleet. Faster... and greater range.

posted on July 9th, 2009, 8:39 pm

the Negh'var's just dont seem to be able to hold there own.  In the older versions of FO one could quickly build a fleet of K'vort class ships with the shield breaking torpedo and you could almost destroy a starbase with a single voly from 16 ships.  i think 18 would do it.  but even the K'vorts in the latest and 'greatest' version seem  toned down somehow.  call me silly, but one would think if one had a fleet of 16 Negh'var's with the special weapon autonotomy turned off, and you go up against one borg cube, and have all 16 open fire with the overload torpedo, that SHOULD be enough to take it out, but it isn't.  WTH.  FIX MY SHIPS

posted on July 9th, 2009, 8:54 pm

Well, the Negh'var can take out little ships in a single hit with its Overload ability (given, when it hits), but I view the ship as more heavy firesupport than anything. The Vor'chas give major firesupport but the for a base assault Negh'vars do a much better job. Just go in there and pound some buildings/battleships. Its normal torpedoes do the majority of the damage, so it really isn't good against destroyers, and is ok against cruisers.

Btw, the slow rate of fire is taken into consideration when calculating offensive value, so no need to state that the Negh'var fires slowly  .

I don't know if they need rebalancing honestly, because it's quite difficult to tech up that far--at least I've had few opportunities to get that high up. In all reality, I think that all the Negh'var could use would be a speed boost to 80... or *tentatively* even higher  . 70 is average for most battleships, but the Klingons generally have faster movement speeds for their vessels. Not to mention that the abilitiy to close with your enemy if you only have short range is a must.

As for K'vort: there increased defense/offense/ and system more than makes up for the decrease in the Shield Breaking Torpedo. In my opinion, too many people relied on that ship as their staple and ignored the K'beajQ etc.

posted on July 9th, 2009, 9:56 pm

I think that the klingon flagship really needs an upgrade the klingons always had some of the most powerfull ships, just behind the dominion and the borg of course, then the feds, and the romulans with dlightly less power than the feds, but with usefull abilities.

posted on July 10th, 2009, 12:54 am

I think the Neghvar should get the ability to cloak at rank 2/3 it would seem fitting. Both the Negh'var variants (Voodieh class) in the anti-time future in TNG 7x25 had the cloak. In the Future in VOY 7x25 they had a cloak too... I'm looking for the scenes from DS9, and not having much luck yet. But i'd say it wouldnt be very useful as a flagship if it travelling gives away the location of the fleet. The Emperor's New Cloak in DS9 though makes it REALLY clear that its not about technology, since the Regent's ship is much bigger than a normal negh'var but was cloaked with a cloaking device from a B'rel.

posted on July 10th, 2009, 1:18 am

when  martok had to patrol regions that were about to be lost in the
dominion war he often  kept his fleets cloaked to make it look like
the numbers were on his side i dont rember seeing a negvar but why woulldnt
you equip a flagship with a cloak?

posted on July 10th, 2009, 2:55 am

In "the way of the warrior" Dax clearly states that a negvar just decloaked off of their bow. So this beggs the question why the FO negs dont have it.

posted on July 10th, 2009, 5:54 am

I have to agree. The Klingons (:wub:) may be ruthless, but they aren't stupid. Just like the Romulans they should have (their weaker) cloak on all ships. As Dircome stated, it is canon (though I'll need to confirm it).

posted on July 10th, 2009, 9:40 pm

cloaking seems kind of cowardly.  not very klingon.  while it has been stated, "in battle, nothing is more honorable than victory".

Perhpase the Klingons are taking an attitude of  "hey, were here were huge, we dont NEED to hide from anyone"

posted on July 10th, 2009, 10:03 pm

Baleful, but everytime that we've seen the Negh'var and its varieties in the prime universe it's had cloaking... So its a stretch to jump to that belief.

posted on July 10th, 2009, 10:32 pm

to answer your questions and mnie ive read on the internet that its unknown if all negh'vars are equipped with cloaks as only martoks flagship has been seen using one

posted on July 11th, 2009, 10:29 am

Maybe their warship cannons should fire bursts.

posted on July 13th, 2009, 2:12 pm

I really think the Negh'Var should be given a range boost when at Veteran rank. I often lose as the Klingons because of lack of range.

posted on July 13th, 2009, 4:48 pm

Get close then...