Mayson Vs. Risner
posted on February 19th, 2010, 12:29 am
And that he has a slight twitch accompanied by a compulsion for evil. 
posted on February 19th, 2010, 12:53 am
posted on February 19th, 2010, 1:01 am
are you sure thats lore? it looks suspiciously like B-4. 
posted on February 19th, 2010, 1:02 am
No, that's a photo of Dominus Noctis, taken from his facebook page. 
posted on February 19th, 2010, 1:03 am
Well I just watched the game 
Firstly I have to say, all honour to the fella who capped/commented the game - a good job
Now about the game: Honestly I fail to see the point of it, I dont think people ever argued risner is stronger than mayson, at least not people who play at least a bit online. Though you proved the point quite clearly with that demonstration nevertheless
Especially if you consider that Boggz didnt really use his ships to best effect - a lot have been needlessly lost and there were things you could do better, Boggz
One little question to Dom as well, though it wouldnt make any difference, u had a mining at your expansion and if you were, presumably, out of tri ---> why didnt u send your mandril to gather tri rather than dil? Or send some more miners there, boggz clearly wasnt to bothered by the expansion lol.
(Note that you might have done that, I just didnt see it)
All of this is probably besides the point anyway, since if Boggz would have played as good as he knows, the game would be over very very quickly. And I doubt he would loose much ships as well.
Now about Mayson. If 1 of them can do this, imagine a team game with more than 2 Maysons on the same team ----> warpin rush to someone ---> destroyed everything except his main base ----> move to the next guy + add at least 2 more warpins +Norways and other things you built ----> repeat --->....
That is undefeatable, unless they are playing against Mayson Feds
Anyhow, as Tom already mentioned, the problems are the free ships Mayson gets very very quickly. Add to the mix a combat support ship and its gg pretty quickly. The thing is, with the Feds (and especially Mayson), you just dont loose resources when loosing your ships in early game - which is tragically also the most important game phase.
1 more thing to add to this warpin problem is the new passive system. Let me elaborate, when u send the warpin to the destination you get a mix of 3 ships. These are medium, long or artillery range and each have its own passives, now imagine that you preserve these ships and add another mix of 3 ships into the fleet. Now you have 6 ships plus the ships you build in the mean time, so lets say in total you have a very BALANCED fleet of 9 ships, all with special weapons ready and all with diferent passives and weapon ranges. With this, you can deal with anything anyone can throw at you. My point is this: The great increase of the OP of the warpin in the new patch also coincides with the introduction of the new passive abilities.
Basically you get the situation of getting a fleet that can counter anything, with only building 1 type of ship. And you also get a situation where it is physically impossible for your opponent to effecitvly counter all those different ship types. At least with the other spam only 1 ship counters it, with Mayson its a very big combination of ships.
But as the team already know the situation and have already taken the steps to remedy the situation all this bable is usless, yet somehow interesting
Anyways, the main point is, Mayson is a lot stronger than Risner 1on1 Though that wasnt really up for debate, but who cares
There is something else Id really like to see though, another test if you will... As we all know, in version 3.1.1. it is Mayson and someone else that is the main OP culprit. That someone is the Taqroja of course and her Kvorts of Obliteration... What I would very much like u2 to test (and yandowman to cap and commentate
) is the same map, with Dom as Taqroja and Boggz as Mayson.
Though as far as I know, Mayson should have the upper hand in this duel as well, I'd find this test a lot more interesting
And one last thing: Good job to all 3 of you
Firstly I have to say, all honour to the fella who capped/commented the game - a good job
Now about the game: Honestly I fail to see the point of it
, I dont think people ever argued risner is stronger than mayson, at least not people who play at least a bit online. Though you proved the point quite clearly with that demonstration nevertheless Especially if you consider that Boggz didnt really use his ships to best effect - a lot have been needlessly lost and there were things you could do better, Boggz
One little question to Dom as well, though it wouldnt make any difference, u had a mining at your expansion and if you were, presumably, out of tri ---> why didnt u send your mandril to gather tri rather than dil? Or send some more miners there, boggz clearly wasnt to bothered by the expansion lol.
(Note that you might have done that, I just didnt see it
)All of this is probably besides the point anyway, since if Boggz would have played as good as he knows, the game would be over very very quickly. And I doubt he would loose much ships as well.
Now about Mayson. If 1 of them can do this, imagine a team game with more than 2 Maysons on the same team ----> warpin rush to someone ---> destroyed everything except his main base ----> move to the next guy + add at least 2 more warpins +Norways and other things you built ----> repeat --->....
That is undefeatable, unless they are playing against Mayson Feds
Anyhow, as Tom already mentioned, the problems are the free ships Mayson gets very very quickly. Add to the mix a combat support ship and its gg pretty quickly. The thing is, with the Feds (and especially Mayson), you just dont loose resources when loosing your ships in early game - which is tragically also the most important game phase.
1 more thing to add to this warpin problem is the new passive system. Let me elaborate, when u send the warpin to the destination you get a mix of 3 ships. These are medium, long or artillery range and each have its own passives, now imagine that you preserve these ships and add another mix of 3 ships into the fleet. Now you have 6 ships plus the ships you build in the mean time, so lets say in total you have a very BALANCED fleet of 9 ships, all with special weapons ready and all with diferent passives and weapon ranges. With this, you can deal with anything anyone can throw at you. My point is this: The great increase of the OP of the warpin in the new patch also coincides with the introduction of the new passive abilities.
Basically you get the situation of getting a fleet that can counter anything, with only building 1 type of ship. And you also get a situation where it is physically impossible for your opponent to effecitvly counter all those different ship types. At least with the other spam only 1 ship counters it, with Mayson its a very big combination of ships.
But as the team already know the situation and have already taken the steps to remedy the situation all this bable is usless, yet somehow interesting
Anyways, the main point is, Mayson is a lot stronger than Risner 1on1
Though that wasnt really up for debate, but who cares There is something else Id really like to see though, another test if you will... As we all know, in version 3.1.1. it is Mayson and someone else that is the main OP culprit. That someone is the Taqroja of course and her Kvorts of Obliteration... What I would very much like u2 to test (and yandowman to cap and commentate
) is the same map, with Dom as Taqroja and Boggz as Mayson.Though as far as I know, Mayson should have the upper hand in this duel as well, I'd find this test a lot more interesting
And one last thing: Good job to all 3 of you
posted on February 19th, 2010, 1:04 am
Adm. Zaxxon wrote:I think that was a "Shut up and stop complaining.
No way, dude! Risner doesn't suck at all, Mayson is just too good!
posted on February 19th, 2010, 1:08 am
To Baron I can only say:
Yeah I didn't play my "best" per say because I didn't really need to. Losing ships was part of the fact that I had him surrounded. I could afford to lose Norways here and there as long as I made sure he never got the chance to mine or expand. The point was to illustrate how QUICKLY Mayson can field a Warp-in and how really there's no way to stop him from surrounding you.
Risner was our choice because she's actually the second most powerful avatar, tied with Taqroja.
We might do a Taq v. Mayson matchup, but the point is to illustrate how Spam works. Taq will spam Kvorts and Mayon will spam Norways/Excel II's.
Optec chimed in and mentioned that the Avatars will be adjusted and that Warp-in will be re-addressed. I'm happy!.
Yeah I didn't play my "best" per say because I didn't really need to. Losing ships was part of the fact that I had him surrounded. I could afford to lose Norways here and there as long as I made sure he never got the chance to mine or expand. The point was to illustrate how QUICKLY Mayson can field a Warp-in and how really there's no way to stop him from surrounding you.
Risner was our choice because she's actually the second most powerful avatar, tied with Taqroja.
We might do a Taq v. Mayson matchup, but the point is to illustrate how Spam works. Taq will spam Kvorts and Mayon will spam Norways/Excel II's.
Optec chimed in and mentioned that the Avatars will be adjusted and that Warp-in will be re-addressed. I'm happy!
.posted on February 19th, 2010, 1:09 am
when someone is better than you, I believe it can mean both
you can either just be bad, or the other person is just better. wither way you have the same effect.
I have found that it is very hard to win with Risner against any race, where as playing as any other race/avatar it is much easer.
Risner is more of a handy-cap than every other race.
you can either just be bad, or the other person is just better. wither way you have the same effect.
I have found that it is very hard to win with Risner against any race, where as playing as any other race/avatar it is much easer.
Risner is more of a handy-cap than every other race.
posted on February 19th, 2010, 1:10 am
Adm. Zaxxon wrote:I have found that it is very hard to win with Risner against any race, where as playing as any other race/avatar it is much easer.
Risner is more of a handy-cap than every other race.
COMPLETELY disagree
.She's amazing. What on earth are you doing to feel handicapped?
posted on February 19th, 2010, 1:11 am
-=B!G=-The Black Baron wrote:One little question to Dom as well, though it wouldnt make any difference, u had a mining at your expansion and if you were, presumably, out of tri ---> why didnt u send your mandril to gather tri rather than dil? Or send some more miners there, boggz clearly wasnt to bothered by the expansion lol.
(Note that you might have done that, I just didnt see it
There is something else Id really like to see though, another test if you will... As we all know, in version 3.1.1. it is Mayson and someone else that is the main OP culprit. That someone is the Taqroja of course and her Kvorts of Obliteration... What I would very much like u2 to test (and yandowman to cap and commentate
For the first question: I was low on dilithium and tritanium nearly the entire match (usually floating only enough to get out the next Intrepid/Monsoon) :sweatdrop:. I started to bulk up on dilithium towards the end to boost my Outpost's offense, but that is obviously a last ditch effort anyway
I'd definitely be up for trying a TaQroja versus Mayson match - could be very interesting :badgrin:
... and like Boggz said: Risner is quite powerful Adm. Zaxxon - you should try using her forces more often some time
posted on February 19th, 2010, 1:17 am
Well... To be honest, I haven't played her Since 3.1.0 any more than to test the avalon. I didn't see any significant changes so I just stick with mayson 
I stand corrected, I will have to go try her out.(
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I stand corrected, I will have to go try her out.(
)posted on February 19th, 2010, 1:21 am
Dominus_Noctis wrote:I'd definitely be up for trying a TaQroja versus Mayson match - could be very interesting :badgrin:
Let's do it soon and record a couple different strats.
Kvort spam vs. Norway/Excel Spam
B'rel spam vs. Norway/Excel Spam
Then Mixed fleets vs. Mixed Fleets
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