Klingons - Cannon Fodder ???

[tom]

posted on July 24th, 2009, 2:10 pm

Last edited by tom on July 24th, 2009, 2:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The Vupta is IMO an anti-destroyer. Why I dont find is useful is because of its weapons and speed, maybe that has been changed lately but if I remember correctly its very very slow. I said in my previous post that it has an interesting ability (the torp dodging), but regardless I just dont ever build it.
How many other people did u see using it in MP matches?

If you had read my previous post u'd already know why I speak highly of the KbeajQ. But in a nutshell, medium range, disruptor, increased survivability <---- when compared to K'Vort and B'Rel. The fact that it has a disruptor for its primary weapon also means that it deals fairly well against cruisers and battleships as well.

But anyway mate, as I've already mentioned in my previous post, I do not want to argue this to death (I just remember I had a similar discussion with some people about this ship a while ago). So this is my opinion on the matter, accept it if you want. 

Just out of curiousity, what race do u usually play as?

i usually play klingons and i read ur previous posts.

k'vort:
buildtime = 65
dilithiumcost = 381
tritancost = 137
supplycost = 14
maxhealth = 128
maxshields = 324


K'beajQ:
buildtime = 90
dilithiumcost = 434
tritancost = 143
supplycost = 13
maxhealth = 119
maxshields = 301

increased ... what was that again?

[gonzo]

posted on July 24th, 2009, 3:47 pm

Last edited by gonzo on July 24th, 2009, 4:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I just wanted to say that IMO the klingons are one of the most powerfull races in FO. The diversity of their ships make them very adapt. I don't think there is even one race that offers more possible strategys. From early early game harassment, to a purely defensive strategy with those powerfull torpedo turrets everything is possible.

Just a note at the end. Susa class is way overpowerd against borg. Friends of mine and i usually play random races. The games often ended during the scouting phase cause when we saw that one of us got borg and another klingons the game was over. i tried with a friend last week to counter susa swarms. There definetly is absolutly nothing you can do as borg against susas. And if one of you guys now comes around screaming, sure 3 cubes and 5 spheres get a fleet of susas down i urge you to think before screaming. By the time you can even start building one cube a klingon has about 20 susas. 16 susa with last ditch assault easily suffice to destroy a cube. Klingons can bulid susas way cheaper and way faster than borg can bulid anything. we tried, sccoutcubes with assimilator support. failed. we tried assimilator only...failed. teched up spheres with 4 beam modules....failed. There simply is nothing you can do if the klingon does exactly one thing and one thing only...building susas.

posted on July 24th, 2009, 4:11 pm

gonzo i got just a few questions for you if you dont mind.

How manny multiplayer games have you played ?
Have you read the guide ?
How many playes have you fought online ?

Perhaps you are realy a skilled player, but it seems to me your online experience is limited, considering your post, and also i guess you played whit the same 2-3 players most of the time.

And just one hint to all the players, if you play 2 vs 2 or more and you and your ally are both borg i wish you good luck. Realy !!!

posted on July 24th, 2009, 4:51 pm

Well i could tell you i played thousend of games or i could say i'm a complete noob. It just doesnt matter, cause my skills are'n really relevant, are they? just go on and try it yourself. Face a Klingon who doesnt do anything else than building susas as borg. And i am reluctant to say the only way winning against klingons is hoping the opponent chooses TaQ'Roja.

Sure mixed tech is a different thing, but the fact remains, that these ships are vastly overpowerd.

posted on July 24th, 2009, 4:55 pm

When playing against borg?  I think it all depends on what race you are playing against, and the technique used.  A bug ship seems overpowered when used against the dominion.  The Wrpin seems powerful unless you can counter it.  It all depends on skill, however there may be some ships that are overpowered, but I don't think the Susas is.

BTW, Reading the guide has nothing to do with it.  I haven't even read it.

posted on July 24th, 2009, 5:05 pm

these ships are vastly overpowerd

Where are all the Klingon players then? If the ships are so vastly overpowered, then even a complete noob should be able to figure it out, right?

posted on July 24th, 2009, 5:06 pm

i usually play klingons and i read ur previous posts.

k'vort:
buildtime = 65
dilithiumcost = 381
tritancost = 137
supplycost = 14
maxhealth = 128
maxshields = 324


K'beajQ:
buildtime = 90
dilithiumcost = 434
tritancost = 143
supplycost = 13
maxhealth = 119
maxshields = 301

increased ... what was that again? Cheesy

Its increased survivability. Read the tooltip mate, I was talking about the special bonus it recieves.
But hey, please choose the stats that are in favor of the K'Vort in the future arguments too  :thumbsup:
I especially like how you left out weapon range and weapon type, since those 2 are my main 2 points about the K'bejaQ.
I wont argue with you any longer though, I know what this ship is capable of from the game experiance, and I really couldnt care less about the raw stats that are in the odfs. I think it would be best if we just leave it at this, we agree to disagree  :thumbsup:

posted on July 24th, 2009, 5:55 pm

Hello,

In a 1 vs. 1 match, the Borg have hardly any chance to win against Susas, that's my experience. If there should exist a strategy against them, I would be really interested in it, but I don't think there will be one...

--
regards

posted on July 24th, 2009, 6:02 pm

This is better explained elsewhere *cough* but this one works pretty well for Optimize: 4 freighter then Detector. Take both detectors and harass mining. Upgrade Priority. Purchase Resistance is Futile---> build 3x regen 1x prime sphere. Build 2 more Detectors (they will be done when the Sphere is done ) and a resource assimilator for dilithium. Attack immediately with the Detectors and Sphere, making sure to keep the Sphere retreating. Pick off and distract Sus'a' with the Detectors. That's the quick and dirty version of it.

For Assimilate: Beam, Nanite, Regen module Assims: keep them retreating.

posted on July 24th, 2009, 8:19 pm

Its increased survivability. Read the tooltip mate, I was talking about the special bonus it recieves.
But hey, please choose the stats that are in favor of the K'Vort in the future arguments too  :thumbsup:
I especially like how you left out weapon range and weapon type, since those 2 are my main 2 points about the K'bejaQ.
I wont argue with you any longer though, I know what this ship is capable of from the game experiance, and I really couldnt care less about the raw stats that are in the odfs. I think it would be best if we just leave it at this, we agree to disagree  :thumbsup:

fair enough. no point to argue.

posted on July 25th, 2009, 9:43 pm

the vupta has a 95% chance of avoiding torps when promoted to veteran

how about increasing brels and kvorts ability to dodge torps and how about a straffing run special that can only be used while cloaked it would allow you to launch 1 free attack b4 an opponent can react?

[gonzo]

posted on July 26th, 2009, 8:33 pm

Last edited by gonzo on July 26th, 2009, 8:35 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Dominus_Noctis: Cause your idea sounded intriguing, me and some friends gave it a try. (I'm quite open minded and always open to suggestions, if I hear something interessting or odd i go ahead and try it, unlike some people who apparently dont feel the use of actually playing rather then talking) It is by far one of the best strategies i ever saw against a klingon, but in the end it changed very little. In the end you outnumber the borg with susas. A friend of mine even stoped the time. Building a sphere takes at least 8 minutes, without getting harassed. By that time a klingon only using the tritanium and dilithium moon in the home base is able to build up to 14 susas. 16 suffice to get a tactical cube down. You see the problem?

edit: if you don't believe me, i really would like to show you, as i sad. I'm always open for a game.

[Dominus_Noctis]

posted on July 26th, 2009, 9:14 pm

Last edited by Dominus_Noctis on July 27th, 2009, 2:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I've had 40+ games with that strat...

6 minutes with a Sphere.

Feel free to contact either me or Mal when you wish that game

EDIT: and what the heck are you getting harassed with, you are the one doing the harassing!
EDIT: one last thing; no strategy is perfect, but I find this particular one wins against Klingons a bit more than 50% of the time. It all depends on how your opponent or you handle each faction of course...