Intrepid Weapon too good?

posted on November 4th, 2009, 8:31 pm

and a Bird of Prey was responsible
for the destruction of two of the Federation's most famous ships.

Special circumstances don't count...

posted on November 4th, 2009, 9:05 pm

Funny how Starfleet had a different ship for different missions whereas other empires could fullfill all roles using one ship like the Klingon B'Rel. To me the B'Rel was the most versatile ship ever made. It
could scout deep into enemy territory, embark on a planet surface, and a Bird of Prey was responsible
for the destruction of two of the Federation's most famous ships.

I'd say that's due more to a show's budget reasons rather than anything storyline based

posted on November 4th, 2009, 9:08 pm

Funny how Starfleet had a different ship for different missions whereas other empires could fullfill all roles using one ship like the Klingon B'Rel. To me the B'Rel was the most versatile ship ever made. It
could scout deep into enemy territory, embark on a planet surface, and a Bird of Prey was responsible
for the destruction of two of the Federation's most famous ships.

Versatility should not be confused with 'lack of options'... B'rel was the workhorse of the Klingon Empire for 80 years as much out of necessity as reliability and performance. During most of the time of it's service the Klingon empire was at war with the federation and struggling for resources after the praxis incident. The bird of prey was mass produced because the cost was low in comparison to the time and money involved in researching, designing and fielding a new type of vessel.

posted on November 4th, 2009, 9:18 pm

The cost and the fact that it could do many different things would also meen they have less need to make a lot of different designs.

posted on November 4th, 2009, 9:19 pm

The cost and the fact that it could do many different things would also meen they have less need to make a lot of different designs.

Indeed, I believe it was not until TNG where we saw the Vor'cha, which was the first real 'New' design in a long time... if my memory serves me.

posted on November 4th, 2009, 9:22 pm

...and a Bird of Prey was responsible
for the destruction of two of the Federation's most famous ships.

2?

posted on November 4th, 2009, 9:23 pm

Two Enterprises in fact

posted on November 4th, 2009, 9:26 pm

Two Enterprises in fact

And if you consider the engagement with General Chang's prototype bird of prey at kitomer, had it not been for the Excelsior it was almost 3...

posted on November 4th, 2009, 9:30 pm

Almost 4 if you include the incident with the Enterprise-C (Granted they were K'vorts, but still BoPs.)

posted on November 4th, 2009, 9:33 pm

indeed

posted on November 4th, 2009, 9:34 pm

Almost 4 if you include the incident with the Enterprise-C (Granted they were K'vorts, but still BoPs.)

Indeed, the flagship of the federation has been a prime target for the Klingon's in the past because of the high level of prestige that would be involved with destroying her, and her captain of course...

posted on November 4th, 2009, 9:38 pm

Is one of those destroyed Enterprises you mention the one above Genesis? Because the Klingons didn't destroy that one... the Enterprise did that to itself.

and her captain of course...

That's not for prestige, they just don't like Kirk...

[quaddmgtech]

posted on November 4th, 2009, 9:40 pm

Last edited by quaddmgtech on November 4th, 2009, 9:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Is one of those destroyed Enterprises you mention the one above Genesis? Because the Klingons didn't destroy that one... the Enterprise did that to itself.
That's not for prestige, they just don't like Kirk...

haha. True, but the feeling was mutual.

EDIT: No, not counting the one above Genesis. I am referring to the battle at the end of "The Undiscovered Country". But only as an 'almost'... because the Enterprise was crippled badly but she survived.

posted on November 5th, 2009, 2:48 am

Funny how Starfleet had a different ship for different missions whereas other empires could fullfill all roles using one ship like the Klingon B'Rel. To me the B'Rel was the most versatile ship ever made. It
could scout deep into enemy territory, embark on a planet surface, and a Bird of Prey was responsible
for the destruction of two of the Federation's most famous ships.

  And that's why a small and easily-destroyable vessel has remained in service for a billion-trillion years!  For honor and glory!  RAWR! 

  I love the B'rel and I am looking forward to hopefully seeing Mal's idea of a "Last-Ditch-Assault but ACTUALLY a Final reckless attack" for the B'rel.  I know he meant it for the Kvort but it would definitely give the B'rel some lasting uses well into the game - just as the Klingons use them in Canon!

posted on November 5th, 2009, 3:29 am

yep i also got the feeling that the Intrepid is more a larger scout .. something like an patroll vessel, that would also explain why it was sent for the maquis in the first place. It has more of a military touch then the Galaxy, without being a real combat ship like the Defiant

Well I am not so sure about that. I dont know of any scouts that can take on a Borg cube or a fleet of kazon vessels