How Dare You Say That Ship is Useless!
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posted on April 3rd, 2009, 3:56 pm
Just to make myself clear I wasn't referring to the shadow special weapon in my previous post.
I do like the incursion but I don't think it can work in multiplayer very well, unless the team can find a way for an enemy to issue orders to the incursion, allowing weapons to be fired but they do no damage.
Also I think the incursion would be cool with a limited time cloak, so you can easily get into position.
I do like the incursion but I don't think it can work in multiplayer very well, unless the team can find a way for an enemy to issue orders to the incursion, allowing weapons to be fired but they do no damage.
Also I think the incursion would be cool with a limited time cloak, so you can easily get into position.
posted on April 3rd, 2009, 4:02 pm
The Incursion's main purpose is spying, just like a ship with a regular Cloak would. Having the weapons fire would screw the whole point of the Hologenerator, because the enemy would know that, when their D'deridex Class started firing Federation weapons from the places a modified Defiant-prototype has it's weapons, it is not their ship.
posted on April 3rd, 2009, 4:12 pm
I just don't like the idea of the Federation having cloak. I think it ruins the unique strategies of the Romulans and Klingons.
posted on April 3rd, 2009, 4:43 pm
i wouldnt mind one ship say the defiant class for one specific avatar having cloak on rank advancement.
Say if we implemented the fed rogues as suggested, with covert experimental and borderline banned weaponry, cloak could be an ability that is applicable to just that avatar with only 1 or 2 ship classes using it - say just the venture (fr which it will necessarily have to be researched) and the defiant (which will get it only after attaining double gold bars).
but yeah, the mainstream feds should not have cloak. nor should the borg or dominion. it is NOT their gameplay style.
Say if we implemented the fed rogues as suggested, with covert experimental and borderline banned weaponry, cloak could be an ability that is applicable to just that avatar with only 1 or 2 ship classes using it - say just the venture (fr which it will necessarily have to be researched) and the defiant (which will get it only after attaining double gold bars).
but yeah, the mainstream feds should not have cloak. nor should the borg or dominion. it is NOT their gameplay style.
posted on April 3rd, 2009, 5:27 pm
SaoMagnifico wrote:I just don't like the idea of the Federation having cloak. I think it ruins the unique strategies of the Romulans and Klingons.
Who said anything about cloak? We're talking about a Hologenerator (from Star Trek: Away Team & Starfleet Command III).
posted on April 3rd, 2009, 6:34 pm
STC 3's holo-generator was built on cloaking tech. so i believe that's how it got squeezed in.
but as mentioned the shadow's special in A1 was not based on cloaking tech, rather on sensor scrambling.
but as mentioned the shadow's special in A1 was not based on cloaking tech, rather on sensor scrambling.
MasterOfWhales
posted on April 3rd, 2009, 9:11 pm
SaoMagnifico wrote:I just don't like the idea of the Federation having cloak. I think it ruins the unique strategies of the Romulans and Klingons.
There is basis to assume the Federation could create and field, or at least field, a cloak, so it isn't as if Trek fans haven't had some time to adjust to the possibility. What about the USS Peagasus, I might have butchered the name, from TNG. That had a phase cloak. There is also the time Kirk stole a romulan cloaking device or how Warf's Defiant-class is allowed supervised use of a loaned Romulan cloaking device. Course I think I remember there being some law in the Star Trek universe between the three major groups prohibiting the Federation from using cloaks.
posted on April 3rd, 2009, 9:44 pm
Whales, you're right. The Treaty of Algeron between the Romulans and the Federation, prohibits the use of cloaking devices by the Federation.
In the past however, as you rightly said, Kirk stole a Romulan cloaking device, which the Federation presumably still have; the Klingons gave Picard and Data a free-ride in a BoP, because it had a cloaking device; the Pegasus' phase cloak was developed by either Starfleet Security or Section 32; and finally the Defaint was lent a cloak by the Romulans, until it was destroyed.
In the past however, as you rightly said, Kirk stole a Romulan cloaking device, which the Federation presumably still have; the Klingons gave Picard and Data a free-ride in a BoP, because it had a cloaking device; the Pegasus' phase cloak was developed by either Starfleet Security or Section 32; and finally the Defaint was lent a cloak by the Romulans, until it was destroyed.
MasterOfWhales
posted on April 3rd, 2009, 11:38 pm
I would have thought Starfleet Science, and not Section 31, had run the Pegasus Project given the fact that Riker seemed to have been a part of it in the past.
posted on April 3rd, 2009, 11:51 pm
@ Unleash Mayhem
The Treaty of Algeron prohibits the development of cloaks, not use of them.
The Treaty of Algeron prohibits the development of cloaks, not use of them.
posted on April 3rd, 2009, 11:57 pm
Starfleet can neither develop nor use Cloak of any type (Normal or Phase) on their ships unless a deal is made. The subject of this discussion (before being hijacked by Cloak) is the Hologenerator technology, which is not a Cloaking device. The SFC3 version may have the based on cloak, but the original (ST:Away Team) and Armada2 version hasn't any relation to cloak.
When Kirk stole a Cloak from the Romulans, I don't think the treaty was around yet.
When Kirk stole a Cloak from the Romulans, I don't think the treaty was around yet.
posted on April 3rd, 2009, 11:59 pm
You are, of course right Tyler, I was just listing times the Federation has used/benefited from cloaking tech.
Riker wasn't a part of it, he was just part of the crew of the Pegasus, and Pressman just thought he was man enough to stop them from blabbing, which is where he was wrong.
MasterOfWhales wrote:I would have thought Starfleet Science, and not Section 31, had run the Pegasus Project given the fact that Riker seemed to have been a part of it in the past.
Riker wasn't a part of it, he was just part of the crew of the Pegasus, and Pressman just thought he was man enough to stop them from blabbing, which is where he was wrong.
posted on April 6th, 2009, 2:30 am
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Tyler wrote:Starfleet can neither develop nor use Cloak of any type (Normal or Phase) on their ships unless a deal is made. The subject of this discussion (before being hijacked by Cloak) is the Hologenerator technology, which is not a Cloaking device. The SFC3 version may have the based on cloak, but the original (ST:Away Team) and Armada2 version hasn't any relation to cloak.
When Kirk stole a Cloak from the Romulans, I don't think the treaty was around yet.
the hologenerator of A! was not sth that physically or visually changed the ships. As explained in the A1 manual, it was a sensor trick, and not related to actual holograms.
In away team - havent played that so i will not speak on it.
SF3 - yes cloaking tech.
So when you speak of a hologenerator, and speak of A1, it should be clearly understood that the romulan version did not have anything related to holotech. it was a sensor trick, akin to the sensor jammer tech.
Also, the treaties banning forbidden tech never stopped factions like Section 31 or the maquis from obtaining otherwise banned tech. The key being rogue faction - so when speaking of the Feds we need to qualify whether we refer to starfleet or the rogues when discussing cloaks.
Holo as described by you implies the SFC 3 holo-cloak style, as the holo in A1 was a sensor spiel nothing more.
posted on April 6th, 2009, 2:44 am
*looks at thread title* Anyway to get back on topic... any other ships that anybody thinks are useless or underused?
I'm starting to think that Spectre refits for the Generix just aren't worth it as they are essentially Frigates with weaker weapons (though the passive ability is nice as it decreases damage taken by torpedoes).
Anybody got any ideas on how to reduce the "spam" nature of Klingon though? I just played a game with just Veqlarg and B'rel... and it made me want to hit myself.
I'm starting to think that Spectre refits for the Generix just aren't worth it as they are essentially Frigates with weaker weapons (though the passive ability is nice as it decreases damage taken by torpedoes).
Anybody got any ideas on how to reduce the "spam" nature of Klingon though? I just played a game with just Veqlarg and B'rel... and it made me want to hit myself.
posted on April 6th, 2009, 2:57 am
Dominus_Noctis wrote:*looks at thread title* Anyway to get back on topic... any other ships that anybody thinks are useless or underused?
I'm starting to think that Spectre refits for the Generix just aren't worth it as they are essentially Frigates with weaker weapons (though the passive ability is nice as it decreases damage taken by torpedoes).
Anybody got any ideas on how to reduce the "spam" nature of Klingon though? I just played a game with just Veqlarg and B'rel... and it made me want to hit myself.
Then don't play Klingon maybe? If every race has a unique strategy (and we have five at the moment, to progress eventually to as many as eight) then obviously not everyone is going to like each strategy equally.
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