Horrible Feds

posted on December 24th, 2008, 7:54 am

Man, you've got to be kidding. Feds are, by far, the strongest race in the game. They spam ships like there's no tomorrow. I say that the ships cost should be increased a little bit for the game to be balanced. And nerf down that sfc. And altough i've said it, i'll say it again, that intelligence report is making cloaking useless. I beg to be removed.

posted on December 24th, 2008, 11:06 am

intelligence report will probably get some technology requirements in a future version

posted on December 24th, 2008, 11:20 am

And maybe limit the range of scan to, say, just around the base ? Thanks

posted on December 24th, 2008, 12:50 pm

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And maybe limit the range of scan to, say, just around the base ? Thanks

Nope, its fine for the whole map

What I have done to make the game more fair for the Feds is:

Increase hit points and shields.
Increase phaser damage value.
Increase torpedo hit chance.
Increase offensive and defensive value.
Increase crew count to more realistic numbers e.g. Galaxy Class 1000. Makes
the ship less vulnerable to capture or assimilation.

There is a little thing called balance, that must be present in a game. B4 comparing Vorcha to any fed vessle, you must realize that ALL Klingon vessles have stronger weapons but weaker shields when compared to feds.
I think the feds are probably one of the strongest races in the mod right now, I dont think they should decrease their ships values, but they should maybe put a little tweak here and there

BTW: Is it just me or did we have "X race sux" thread for all the races by now Someone must be talking out of their arse

posted on December 24th, 2008, 12:59 pm

you see, thats what i call balance! if all races suck its fair again! 

I have taken some time to analyize the Federation techtree and their units values, but everything seems to be okay, we will make more intensive testgames at the end of the year. Starfleet Command will be reworked to become a little more situational as its intended to be, but that needs some theorycrafting first, so it might take a patch or two.

The Federation gameplay style supports longer battles, as their vessels usually outlive most opponents (ofcourse not compared to a Borg Cube, but you get the message)

posted on December 24th, 2008, 1:52 pm

Well, the Feds are still my fav race. The biggest reason is that I play defensively, and max my shields and build plenty of Newtons. And, once you've gotten an Avalon class, you've won the game.

you see, thats what i call balance! if all races suck its fair again!  

Exactly.

posted on December 27th, 2008, 10:43 pm

i actualy think the fed ships are weaker then they should be.
The sovvy should be leaps ahead of the D'Derix but alot more expensive.


I know it will never happen. But what would be cool is if the feds basic ship started off with no special abilities but like borg ships had upgrade slots. If the feds could build an upgrade yard and send ships there to get things like. Upgraded phaser array, Stronger or faster regenerating shields, quantum tops, faster movement, etc.
Diff for each ship obviously a saber cant have quantums. And all at a cost. And the ship is then called eg "Akira Refit USS Revenge" or something.

posted on December 29th, 2008, 12:09 pm

Imo D'Deridex is at least 85% as powerful as a Sovereign. Besides, who needs 'refits' when you have veterancy...xD.

posted on December 29th, 2008, 12:55 pm

i know that....

im saying if your fighting the borg and they are using assimilators tipped out with assim beams, then you could refit ships with larger crews or such. Like real war, the units change depending the conflict. It would also help to strengthen the weaker late fed ships.

posted on December 29th, 2008, 4:04 pm

I know it will never happen. But what would be cool is if the feds basic ship started off with no special abilities but like borg ships had upgrade slots. If the feds could build an upgrade yard and send ships there to get things like. Upgraded phaser array, Stronger or faster regenerating shields, quantum tops, faster movement, etc.
Diff for each ship obviously a saber cant have quantums. And all at a cost. And the ship is then called eg "Akira Refit USS Revenge" or something.

that reminds me on one thing:
During the Dominionwar some Galaxy-Class Ships (the USS Venture as example) got refitted ... and became very strong and mean battleships

posted on December 30th, 2008, 12:05 pm

thats what im talking about.

The federation are consistantly upgrading there ships, the fed stock ships should be ok, but they could also be upgraded... at a cost of cause 

posted on December 30th, 2008, 2:08 pm

Other races dont upgrade their ships? 

posted on December 30th, 2008, 6:27 pm

Maybe not as often, but they do. I think Starfleet is addicted.

posted on December 30th, 2008, 11:48 pm

I just played fed, to try all the new fun stuff, and i have this to say. although they may seem to have their weeknesses they do seem rather well balanced. my first support was an avalon. i got two out of my 4 calls for heavy support. the 3 light requestes were all steam runners. My greatest impression was all the fabulous new models. iv never seen a sabre look so good.

Feds=good

posted on December 31st, 2008, 12:59 pm

Yesterday I fought with Klingons against all races. After crushing the Romulans very fast and with no complications I met a Federation fleet. I think they had less ships, but some Souvereigns, whereas I had mainly Vor'chas, K'Vorts, K'Beajqs and B'Rels and hoped to win. But suddenly I was like this  >:( : With one use of their special weapons they disabled all my engines(I think the souvereign can do that, right?). The problem was now, that he had also 3Norways, which fired this blue anomaly directly in my stopped fleet.
Within a blink of an eye my Klingon fleet warped to Sto'vo'kor.
In my opinion the federation is really tough, due to their good special weapons. The Romulans are good because of an AI spamming Tavaras, but the federation doesn't need necessarily Capital ships, Norways are enough...