Again - the Negh'Var

posted on July 24th, 2010, 10:50 pm

yeah, moqbara is actually more useful than tavara/cube etc.

it can make 10 vorchas 8 kvorts and 8 kbq do the damage of 20 vorchas 16 kvorts and 16 kbq for 10 whole seconds. which is awesome.

thats enough to flatten a few ships, then retreat, let moqbara recharge and do it again a short while later. if u really wanna dish out the pain.

or u can just use it at the start of battle to quickly turn things to your favour

another trick is to catch a retreating and regenerating borg ship by surprise with double firepower.

posted on July 25th, 2010, 3:39 pm

ok gonna correct a mistake i see a lot, with no insult intended.

feds klinks etc are factions, not fractions. fractions are maths things like 1/2   3/4    22/7 etc

Oh, sorry about that. You know, this is a foreign language to me and in german the word for factions is "FRaktionen". Many people are Germans here, this is perhaps the reason for that mistake.

back to topic:
Yeah, I wouldn't want a supership for everyone, too. For Romulans, Borg and Dominion we saw that stuff in Star Trek, Federation and Klingons are different and that's good. I admit I forgot the Moq'barastation when writing the other post. When the enemy has bad scouting that station can be really a surprise.

posted on July 25th, 2010, 3:45 pm

i dont know any supership on romulan side from the tv show

posted on July 25th, 2010, 3:48 pm

Remember that the FO storyline is not based purely on the shows

posted on July 25th, 2010, 3:50 pm

FO isn't based purely on the shows, but the comment mentioned Romulan superships in the show.

The only 'supership' that came from Romulan space is the Reman warbird Scimitar, I don't think any supership was ever identified as Romulan.

Yeah, I wouldn't want a supership for everyone, too. For Romulans, Borg and Dominion we saw that stuff in Star Trek, Federation and Klingons are different and that's good. I admit I forgot the Moq'barastation when writing the other post. When the enemy has bad scouting that station can be really a surprise.

The Klingons have a Supership, namely the BortaS Class. The Federation has a purely defensive counterpart.

posted on July 25th, 2010, 3:59 pm

no way to compare the Bortas with the Descent. The Descent is quite easy to get and that is shown in its strength. Its quite weak compared to the Bortas but on the other hand its way easier to get.

[Tyler]

posted on July 25th, 2010, 4:07 pm

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'Purely defensive counterpart' as in a ship that is focused almost entirely on defense. A direct opposite of the BortaS, which is all about power. The counterpart bit is their roles; one is defensive, one is offensive. Without 2 already at officer rank, the Descent is also more restricted in numbers.

Comparing ships doesn't just go by how much damage the weapons cause, especially on ships that weren't designed for power and have another specialty.

Side-note: Imagine one of each in a fight on the same team...

posted on July 25th, 2010, 5:21 pm

no way to compare the Bortas with the Descent. The Descent is quite easy to get and that is shown in its strength. Its quite weak compared to the Bortas but on the other hand its way easier to get.

A Descent can kill a BortaS too in a fight . Even based on raw stats the Descent has MUCH higher defense and offense than the BortaS

posted on July 25th, 2010, 7:23 pm

thank god that we didnt talk about the stats

posted on July 25th, 2010, 9:27 pm

no Superships for Romulans?
The D'Deridex, which is the usual cruiser of the Romulans is larger(not stronger, though) than anything Feds or Klingons have. Then there was the Scimitar(okay, it's Reman, but Remus is not far from Romulus ) and don't forget the Narada, which was built from Tal Shiar if I'm not mistaken(yes, in the correct timeline, so it's canon).
So what other ships did the Romulans have? The Norexan, the (Talon), an ancient Bird of Prey and in Countdown some Reman cruisers.

There are more Superships for Romulans than normal ships  .

Bortas is no real supership I think. It's rather a super-harrasser .

posted on July 25th, 2010, 10:31 pm

Isn't the Narada a mining vessel? Just for a relative future?

[Tyler]

posted on July 25th, 2010, 10:35 pm

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No, it's a Mining freighter enhanced with Borg technology. It's not a supership, just a canon example of Romulan/Borg Mixed-Tech (well, semi-canon since the Borg tech was only in the official comic).

Romulans only have regular ships, nothing that really stands out from the rest of the Star Empires fleet.

posted on July 25th, 2010, 10:38 pm

Bortas is no real supership I think. It's rather a super-harrasser .

ion storm has the power to destroy whole fleets is used well. thats a little more than harassment

and the research for bortas is expensive, the bortas itself is not. so u can replace the bortas that gets killed after ion storm

posted on July 26th, 2010, 5:50 am

It looks like this discussion is winding down, but I do want to say this:

The Neghvar, unlike other races' battleships, is not a ship for killing anything.  The Neghvar is specifically for killing other big ships.  If your enemy never builds big ships, you only use your Neghvars for killing bases.  The Klingons are all about supremacy over enemies of the same type: their small ships counter small ships, their cruisers counter cruisers and their battleships counter other battleships.  And the way to counter dreadnoughts is to outnumber and outgun them without spending more cash than your enemy.

posted on July 26th, 2010, 11:12 am

It looks like this discussion is winding down, but I do want to say this:

The Neghvar, unlike other races' battleships, is not a ship for killing anything.  The Neghvar is specifically for killing other big ships.  If your enemy never builds big ships, you only use your Neghvars for killing bases.  The Klingons are all about supremacy over enemies of the same type: their small ships counter small ships, their cruisers counter cruisers and their battleships counter other battleships.  And the way to counter dreadnoughts is to outnumber and outgun them without spending more cash than your enemy.

actually their main cruiser - the vorcha - pwns destroyers too, its got an awesome beam weapon that deals base damage to everything.