Too much cloak!!!

posted on March 26th, 2009, 5:04 pm

Well, because it has something to do with cloak, I report a bug in this thread.

The tachyon scan of the Canaveral Class is not working. If you play against a Romulan or Klingon AI, at the end of the game there are (almost everytime) some cloaked ships left. I pinged those ships with the special ability of the Fed starbase. So I sent a Canaveral Class ship to decloak those ships (and then destroy them). It didn't work. I had to use other special abilities, which hit cloaked vessels. (see Norway Class)

Not cool! 

posted on March 26th, 2009, 8:01 pm

Cloaked ship move. I used the Starbase ability and sent ships there. Then I used it again and they had moved somewhere else.

posted on March 27th, 2009, 3:01 am

In my case those cloaked ships didn't move. I had a Norway Class around, sent it to the specified location and used its...one of its special abilities. This blue storm thingy. It hit the enemy ships. Some of them were destoyed, others had to decloak. The Borg AI (teammate) had some cubes at that location, they finished them. Seems the AI wanted to destroy those ships in the first place but did not know how to decloak ships.

Before I attacked with my Norway Class ship I used the Tachyon Scan of the Canaveral Class, again, nothing happened. I'm missing the effect of this special ability, too. Unless it wasn't removed I'm positive it is not working.

posted on March 27th, 2009, 3:13 am

What I would worry about is the decloaking ability in the hands of the AI being used like the Imperial Guard in Dawn of War does.  If you use any 'cloak' stuff, even if they have no line of sight to it, they pop the anti-cloak ability on it immediately, and keep popping it because the AI sees everything.

posted on March 27th, 2009, 3:17 am

It would make the AI more challenging.

posted on March 27th, 2009, 10:31 am

Why should I worry more about the decloaking abilitiy in the hands of the AI than the seemingly not working Tachyon Scan special ability?

Is it working for you, all of you?

btw:
We need an AI which does not see everything! And the AI should start decloaking its ships when its in the middle of an ongoing fight. I hate it to lose ships just because the AI doens't want to help me. xD

Oh and I thought about another special ability, maybe for the Feds. Tribbles. I would like to be able to transport some of those bastards on board of a Borg ship. Should scare the shit out of them.

*Imagines crying Borg drones, shouting in fear.*

Can Borg assimilate tribbles and turn them into an evil Borg drone?

posted on March 28th, 2009, 4:12 am

well its kinda hard for the ai not to see everything cuz it is part of the program, maybe there is a workaround.

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posted on April 1st, 2009, 5:27 pm

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Can Borg assimilate tribbles and turn them into an evil Borg drone?

The borg aren't evil. People call all attempts evil when it pertains to reigning in order in the carnal chaos of their "waste of skin" lives.

the borg see the galaxy from their perspective and feel that all creatures should be incorporated into the collective (as long as they are worthy) whereby the creatures share in the collective's advancement, and at the same time contribute to that advancement.
The borg do not kill or destroy, except when the lesser species resist. If the lesser species did not resist there would be no killing involved.

So it's pretty semantic that we call the borg evil or just solipsistic. And we all know how many of us try to "convert" others to see our own solipsistic views on things - the borg just take it to a new level.
After all, the feds themselves try to force their pacifist lack of guile on the rest of the galaxy much to the chagrin of the Klings who try to espouse the opposite - remember Kirk's initial contact with the organians, and his attempts to convince them of his point of view.. 

posted on April 1st, 2009, 6:47 pm

But to most of the Alpha Quadrant species, the Borg represent enslavement plus complete loss of free will. As Geordi said "To lose that sense of individuality is almost worse than dying" although I'd go further and say that I'd rather die.

Anyway I think that gives them enough reason to consider the borg evil.

Back on topic, I agree that AI cloaking, being awesome in that they actually do it for the first time ever now (yey!), could still be improved. And in general I think cloak detection is a bit restricted and too freely available at the same time...I know that doesn't make sense but maybe someone else can explain it for me?

posted on April 1st, 2009, 6:53 pm

Everybody shouldn't have it(not everybody is that smart), and it is to expensive to get/use?



Personally I think it would be cool to see a fleet of romies decloak inside my base sometime...  Surprise!

posted on April 1st, 2009, 9:11 pm

What about the Rommies just getting a special called '10th generation cloak' that they research?  Have it be a cloak that drains power per second like the combat cloak, but the detection methods don't pick up.

A second cloaking button that can't be used for long because it's not perfected yet, but will get you past that perimeter, and into position to strike.

posted on April 1st, 2009, 9:15 pm

Or perhaps a different form of "phase cloak" where you can still see the ships using traditional anti cloaking stuff, but you just can't attack them because they are out of phase. Would be an interesting twist, don't you think? 

posted on April 1st, 2009, 9:16 pm

How about a form of Stealth, like the one from Endgame.

posted on April 1st, 2009, 9:19 pm

it would be cool if the rom civilian ships got a cloaking device

posted on April 1st, 2009, 9:27 pm

Or perhaps a different form of "phase cloak" where you can still see the ships using traditional anti cloaking stuff, but you just can't attack them because they are out of phase. Would be an interesting twist, don't you think? 

That sounds nifty.

Of course I've always liked the idea of the Romulans having some sort of awesome special station that can project a phase cloak to cover their base, too...give them some free time to regroup and amass a fighting force (isolationist tactics) which seems a very Romulan enterprise...