USS Kelvin

posted on December 16th, 2008, 8:03 am

Everyone knows about the ships in the new film, right? The movie seems a little odd in some ways, like the registry of the USS Kelvin. NCC-0514, does anyone see a 0 that wouldn't normally be there?

posted on December 16th, 2008, 8:06 am

Yes, I noticed that too! (btw im new to the fourms)

posted on December 16th, 2008, 9:45 am

Frankly, I can't understand why they went to so much trouble to bastardise Franz Jospeh's Saladin design (it's pretty obvious that the Saladin was the inspiration) by mounting that huge great ugly vat thing on the top of the ship when more faithfully recreating the Saladin (even just not having the vat would have done the trick) would have taken less work (no vat = less work surely...)

posted on December 16th, 2008, 10:33 pm

I try not to bash a movie before it comes out, or even scream canon violation over every little thing, but the "0" is a bit much, IMO.  512 would tell me just as much as 0512, especially when years later, Enterprise is 1701.

posted on December 17th, 2008, 12:35 am

To be frank, I get the horrible feeling that the people making this film don't have a clue what they're doing... J.J. Abrams said this of the starship Enterprise...

"If you’re going to do Star Trek there are many things you cannot change. The Enterprise is a visual touchstone for so many people. So if you’re going to do the Enterprise, it better look like the Enterprise, because otherwise, what are you doing?"

...only to give us this...



...which, as I've said before, leads me to conclude that Abrams is incompetent, not in control of his own project, a flaming hypocrite, or some combination of the three... Also, based on what Jordan Hoffman says in this article...

Trek is Dead - Long Live Trek | Movie Blog | UGO.com

The trailer and then J.J.

J.J. Abrams struts up like the smartest kid in Hebrew school.  The first thing out of his mouth - the very motherloving first thing out of his mouth - is “I’ve never been a fan of Star Trek.”

WTF?!??!  Not only is this insulting and lame, it is rehearsed.  He’s said this in interviews fifteen times already.  Maybe he thinks it is cute, but I just find it rude.

J.J. Abrams needs to understand that he is a guest in our house.  If he can’t be polite, we won’t invite him over to play anymore.  It’s as simple as that.

So he says his little prepared line and someone in the small crowd (okay, it was me) responds, “BOOOO!!!”

Without missing a beat he moves on, “I know, it makes people boo, but that’s the way it is.” He then continued about how he never connected to Kirk or Spock but by some twist of fate his production company wound up in charge of the Star Trek franchise.  And before he knew it, he was so in love with Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman’s script, he wound up saying “yes” to directing it.  He questioned himself, “How could I say ‘yes’ to this project?” As if Star Trek had the cooties and was corroded.  “I didn’t even know they’d made ten movies already.  Who wants to be 11th?” I know who, someone who likes Star Trek!!!!  By now my acid reflux is acting up and I am starting to get nauseous.  J.J. introduces the first scene, “Where we first meet Spock.  No, not Spock - the other one - Kirk.  Spock is the one with the...” and he points to his ears.

No, I am not making this up.

Yes, I will admit, part of him was trying to be funny.

But it was not funny.  Will J.J. Abrams be laughing when, years from now, some slickster is rebooting Lost and is joking about “The Karma Initiative?” I don’t think so.

...Abrams doesn't actually know anything about Star Trek and cares about as much... Given that and what we've seen so far (new Enterprise design, USS Kelvin with "0" in front of registry, etc.), as I said, no one on Abrams' production team, least of all the Lost creator himself, has the slightest clue what they're doing... I mean, come on, I've never seen Lost, d'you think I'd be qualified to make a Lost movie?

Here's what Bernd Schneider of Ex Astris Scientia had to say on the new Enterprise, by the way... I couldn't agree more with most of it...

Ex Astris Scientia - The New Enterprise Design

posted on December 17th, 2008, 4:10 pm

You don't think you're overreaacting a bit? The thing still looks like the Enterprise. Show it to anyone who has seen the old series, and they'll say "yeah I recongize that - it's the Enterprise!". You really need to be little more open to changes - it's not as if everything Star Trek so far has been utterly perfect.

Just wait and see the movie before casting judgement, and that also includes seeing the movie without already having decided not to like it beforehand.

posted on December 17th, 2008, 5:01 pm

It IS the Enterprise... this Picture is just not her "chocolate side"... in the Trailer it looks much more like the Enterprise we know...

And if you want to burn someone... then burn the scriptwriters and the Script... at least, they are responsible for it...

posted on December 17th, 2008, 5:36 pm

http://theslackerz.com/index.php?nav=Comic&Page=107

posted on December 18th, 2008, 7:04 pm

Show it to anyone who has seen the old series, and they'll say "yeah I recongize that - it's the Enterprise!".

I showed it to a fan of the old Trek, and she thinks it's only passable. I don't see how anyone could mistake that thing for the Enterprise.

posted on December 18th, 2008, 7:11 pm

There's your problem. You showed it to someone who was a fan of the old series. Supposedly in a non-ironic way. They're not the target audience. (and wouldn't be a big one anyway)

[Triarii]

posted on December 19th, 2008, 2:23 am

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There's your problem. You showed it to someone who was a fan of the old series. Supposedly in a non-ironic way. They're not the target audience. (and wouldn't be a big one anyway)

In the words of Ben Crowshaw, why am I reminded of the all purpose theistic cop-out arguement "God moves in mysterious ways"? *Sigh* It seems these days we're letting Hollywood get with anything... They've wiped their dicks on the Enterprise, when Abrams specifically said they wouldn't and most of you are just shrugging and saying, "Eh..." We don't have to burn the house down about it, but the least you could do is stop making weak excuses for it, particularly when Hollywood doesn't even need defending... People on the Internet gabbing off about the inherent horribleness of the "Edsleprise" or whatever aren't going to result in their changing course in the slightest, but I'll be damned if I don't at least make it perfectly clear that a design which, as Bernd Schneider put it, has about 5% in common with the ship we all know and love can, quite frankly, fuck right off... This new Enterprise is a pretender, a nasty Hollywood imitation, a caricature almost and if you try to pass it off as being anything else you're just making weak excuses for inexcusable... Irrespective of wether the movie itself is good, bad or mediocre, the design of the Enterprise is quite simply inexcusable and that's all there is to it...

posted on December 19th, 2008, 2:30 am

To be frank, I get the horrible feeling that the people making this film don't have a clue what they're doing... J.J. Abrams said this of the starship Enterprise...

"If you’re going to do Star Trek there are many things you cannot change. The Enterprise is a visual touchstone for so many people. So if you’re going to do the Enterprise, it better look like the Enterprise, because otherwise, what are you doing?"

...only to give us this...



...which, as I've said before, leads me to conclude that Abrams is incompetent, not in control of his own project, a flaming hypocrite, or some combination of the three... Also, based on what Jordan Hoffman says in this article...

Trek is Dead - Long Live Trek | Movie Blog | UGO.com

...Abrams doesn't actually know anything about Star Trek and cares about as much... Given that and what we've seen so far (new Enterprise design, USS Kelvin with "0" in front of registry, etc.), as I said, no one on Abrams' production team, least of all the Lost creator himself, has the slightest clue what they're doing... I mean, come on, I've never seen Lost, d'you think I'd be qualified to make a Lost movie?

Here's what Bernd Schneider of Ex Astris Scientia had to say on the new Enterprise, by the way... I couldn't agree more with most of it...

Ex Astris Scientia - The New Enterprise Design

GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

posted on December 19th, 2008, 2:58 am

What  the Heck were the Designers smoking for  a month before the designed  this Abomination? All I can say is to The Idiot s that Did. I will not go see  this movie EVER!!!!!!! I urge every one to Boycott this Abomination! Let it  be placed in the recycler bin  and made in to Fertalizer.

posted on December 19th, 2008, 3:23 am

What  the Heck were the Designers smoking for  a month before the designed  this Abomination? All I can say is to The Idiot s that Did. I will not go see  this movie EVER!!!!!!! I urge every one to Boycott this Abomination! Let it  be placed in the recycler bin  and made in to Fertalizer.

Once again... As I said, we don't need to burn the house down just because of the Enterprise's design (there is still some remote possibility that the movie could be good, despite what we've seen in the trailer and so on), but it is nice to see that not everyone is going to be satisfied with making weak excuses for the design..

posted on December 19th, 2008, 4:25 pm

GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This, although I didn't want to put it in quite those terms.
Star Trek isn't taken seriously - you're not helping by going ape about the curvature of somethingorother.