Strongest faction in 2370

posted on July 12th, 2009, 11:08 pm

nemesis was set after voyager had made it back to the alpha quadrant as it was admiral janeway who ordered picard to romulus

posted on July 12th, 2009, 11:31 pm

Federation    - 100%
Klingons      - 75%
Romulans    - 90%
Cardassians  - 60%
Dominion    - 250%
Borg            - 5000%

posted on July 15th, 2009, 2:19 pm

hm, thats a tough one..

if the federation is 100% i would say..

klingons - 85%
romulans - 75%
cardassians - 50% (still rebuilding after the war)
dominion - 25% (no connection to the gamma quadrant - so only a few jem hadar in the terretory)
borg - unknown (guess around 15%, after the destruction of the hub and the virus)

[Tyler]

posted on July 15th, 2009, 2:35 pm

Last edited by Tyler on July 15th, 2009, 2:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.

cardassians - 50% (still rebuilding after the war)
dominion - 25% (no connection to the gamma quadrant - so only a few jem hadar in the terretory)
borg - unknown (guess around 15%, after the destruction of the hub and the virus)

2370 is 3 years before the Dominion war (2373-2375), while Endgame (the event that crippled the Borg, most likely only for a short time) happened several years after the War (2378 in the present-timeline part of the episode).

posted on July 16th, 2009, 3:22 pm

2370 is 3 years before the Dominion war (2373-2375), while Endgame (the event that crippled the Borg, most likely only for a short time) happened several years after the War (2378 in the present-timeline part of the episode).

thats the reason why i asked...

posted on July 16th, 2009, 3:31 pm

I believe there are several possibility that would have occurred after endgame.  One is that they kept the technology, there by making them the most powerful, besides the borg, and species 8472.  Another, they hid the technology, and put it only on some ships and slowly brought it in on all ships.  Another, ships from the future came and took the tech, but let voyager stay in the alpha quadrant.  Or, the last one I can think of atm is they destroyed the tech them selves in favor if the temporal prime directive.  Either way, the federation would have gained alot from the data that Voyager brought back, on the borg, and other races.  Infact, it seems that with Picards knowledge of the borg, all the alpha quadrant cubs would be very vulnerable.  So even the borg wouldn't be a match until they regained a foothold in the alpha quadrant.  would say in the alpha quad.  Federation alliance.  I Don't know about the gamma, and beta, because the dominion were overthrown, which may have lost them many alliances.  And in the delta, It would still be a struggle against the borg and species 8472.

posted on August 3rd, 2009, 7:01 pm

Hmm.
Federation - 100% much larger than Klingons, Romulans and Cardassians, but no warrior race
Klingon - 85% economically bad, however great warriors
Romulans - 80% did not have much ships, but large and good ones
Cardassians - 50% were slaughtered by klingons within days
Dominion - 130% controlled Gammaquadrant, "Evil federation"
Borg - ... whatever
(Breen - 65% quite unknown, however mighty, with organic ships, dampening missile...)

posted on August 3rd, 2009, 9:01 pm

i would argue that the dominion were still at 80+% in the gamma quadrant as apart from the forces that first went to cardassia and the ships lost in the wormhole the rest of their forces were created in the alpha quadrant and it was proved they were capable of producing ships and jemhadar at a very high rate

posted on August 4th, 2009, 11:17 am

i would argue that the dominion were still at 80+% in the gamma quadrant as apart from the forces that first went to cardassia and the ships lost in the wormhole the rest of their forces were created in the alpha quadrant and it was proved they were capable of producing ships and jemhadar at a very high rate

By 2370, the war was still a few years away. I'm not sure the Federation-Dominion Cold war had even started.

posted on August 4th, 2009, 11:27 am

the dominon had been observing ships coming through the wormhole since 2369 first contact was officially made in 2370 when the jemhadar rammed the galaxy class uss odyssey so its hard to say if the dominion had started to build up forces ready for the war 3 years later so lets just say they were at 1% in the alpha quadrant this being founders on covert ops

posted on August 4th, 2009, 3:59 pm

The Dominion had already crushed the species of a whole quadrant at that time(at least this is what the creators of DS9 had in mind, I think, they said something like: we have hundreds of Species in Alpha, Beta and Deltaquadrant but the Gammaquadrant should be different: there was only one (strong) left: the Domion), there were already Jem'Hadar with cloaking, Vorta and so on. I think they were already a strong force, of course becoming even stronger  when subjugating the Cardassian Union und using their industry/yards.

posted on August 4th, 2009, 5:32 pm

I would say that purely representing the Military strength of the factions could be somewhat misleading, for example the Klingon industries seem to be referred to as weak, and this is an important part of the war capacity of a nation(even a space nation), however somewhat less important than on earth(due to the fact the they can only use ships to attack).

Federation Military = 100
The federation maintains a fairly large fleet it seems.
Federation Industry = 200
The federation was expanding into Bajorian space in this era which suggests they where doing well economically, which in turn suggests good industry.

klingon Military = 105
Strong military force maintained out of pride, the additional 5 represents a small build up.
klingon Industry = 70
the klingon fleet is almost certainly supposed to be a declining power before the dominion war and most probably cant afford their fleet.

Romulan Military = 99/100
The romulans have a massive advantage in cloaking tech, but it doesn’t seem to count for much.
Romulan Industry = 90
They seem to be more effective than the Klingons as a society.

Cardassian Military = 60
The cardies are a regional power.
Cardassian Industry = 20
They came out of their earlier war with the feds badly

Borg Miltary = 1000/infinite
The borg at times have complete immunity to all weapons available to the others

Borg Industry = funtions as needed
They seem not to have any specific limits

Dominion Miltary = 300
The Dominions military forces where powerful, but had all the major alpha quadrant powers got them in 2370, the dominion would have lost(excluding a logistical problem).

Dominion Industry = 500
This can mostly be owed to their efficient production techniques.

[Tyler]

posted on August 4th, 2009, 5:40 pm

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Federation Industry = 200
The federation was expanding into Bajorian space in this era which suggests they where doing well economically, which in turn suggests good industry.

Bajoran territory was a single system, expanding into it isn't much to brag about.

Dominion Industry = 500
This can mostly be owed to their efficient production techniques.

And the fact that they have almost an entire quadrent working for them, until the war started.

posted on August 4th, 2009, 6:37 pm

Don't forget though, that not all klingons are warriors.  I don't think the klingons were more powerful then the federation at that time.

However we seem to be missing the point.  It is the strongest faction, not race.  The human race is insignificant compared to the klingons, but the federation is a whole nother story. I think that 1 the federation encompass thousands of systems, some of which have their own war ships.  Federation seems to have much more advanced tech as well.  But 2, are we not including the klingons in the federation?  Starfleet on its own is one system, and not verry powerful, but the federation would be extreamly powerful, including all the races and systems in league with them, such as klingons.

  I personally agree with nuclear's assesment, but I think the klingons should be  included in the federation.  Oh, and the federations commerce/industry is way higher, than that. 

posted on August 4th, 2009, 6:45 pm

the kilingons are still a power in their own right they are not part of the federation although i think in it wont be too long till they full blown join the federation