Star Trek Timelines, how many are there?

posted on September 24th, 2009, 5:55 pm

Where does Enterprise fit in to the Grand Scheme of things?

First there was TOS
then few movies
Then TNG, TNG/DS9, movie DS9, DS9/VGR, movie, VGR  then more movies

Here’s my query

In the TNG movie, First Contact, the Borg and the Enterprise E  go back in time, directly interact / interfere with ole Zeff Cochran. 

When Enterprise came out,  it is a continuation of that ALTERED timeline. 

Cochran is telling people (albeit Drunk, and later recanted) the TRUE story of how first contact went down.

Later,  Archer has to clean up Picard’s mess with the Drones left in the arctic. Who are dug up, and start heading back to the delta quadrant.

The borg drones, hail and give their little “you will be assimilated” speech LEAVING OUT the ever important “we are the borg” part.

The whole  Daniels being a agent          and            the Temporal Cold war, were never really explained in full.

And then, the ultimate toper, 

THE SHIP WAS NAMED ENTERPRISE

What kind of BAD story telling is that.  they are essentially telling us that the past 50 years never happened.

How many movies, how many ships have had EVERY enterprise previous to it hung on a wall, be it a drawing in the old TOS movies,  or half models in the conference lounge of 1701-D
They remember the wooden sailing ships ok, but forgot about the first warp 5 ship?

And the LAME attempt of “if Samuels gets his way, no one will ever have hear of Enterprise”  I simply don’t buy
I REFUSE to believe that the former Mayor of Sunnydale can have so much power, giant snake demon or not.

This would lead ME to believe that ENTERPRISE is a entirely new timeline.

That WOULD have made the latest JJ Abrams flick a plausible continuation of that, except for the last minute RE-designed Nacelles

How many timelines do we have now?
A) The 50 year BASE one.
The Enterprise altered one.
C) The JJ Abrams one.

Am I missing any?  Fleet ops fits in  time line A + 10 years?

posted on September 24th, 2009, 6:05 pm

You're forgetting what a mess Voyager made of the timestream.  And the mess Kirk made of it when he stole whales from the past...and gave people transparant aluminum way early.

posted on September 24th, 2009, 6:08 pm

and gave people transparant aluminum way early.

Maybe, maybe not... As Scotty said "Why? how do you know he didn't invent the thing!" That one could very easily be a Stable Time Loop.

posted on September 24th, 2009, 6:08 pm

Not all timetravel results in the grandfather paradox in Star Trek. I know know if I will be able to easily explaint this, but the Enterprise-E didn't necessarily ALTER the past, it may have restored the past in much the same way as the Ent-C did in "Yesterday's Enterprise", i.e. the current timeline wouldn't exist if certain timetravelling hadn't taken place.

I believe First Contact wouldn't have taken place without the Enterprise, because Cochrane was just a drunk who didn't see a future further than his own retirement. But the crew of the Enterprise told him everything he would accomplish, and so it became so. I think all the prime timeline has never truely been altered without being restored back to its normal state.

posted on September 24th, 2009, 6:16 pm

the show ENTERPRISE would have been ok IF the ship was called ANYTHING else other than Enterprise.

that alone tells me there be 'tamperin' afoot

posted on September 24th, 2009, 7:11 pm

You're forgetting what a mess Voyager made of the timestream. 

Janeway messing up the timeline??

You mean her little Trip so San Francisco to get a mobile emitter?
That’s just good shopping 


AND

Why is it EVERY TIME* star trek goes back in time, it’s ALWAYS to San Francisco?
(with the exception of First Contact in Montana)

It’s like “the Doctor” always ending up in London.
(with the ONE exception of Manhattan)
Whole big planet, he always has to hang out on one of the smallest continents?

posted on September 24th, 2009, 7:14 pm

Favoritism.

posted on September 24th, 2009, 7:19 pm

the show ENTERPRISE would have been ok IF the ship was called ANYTHING else other than Enterprise.

that alone tells me there be 'tamperin' afoot

What's wrong with the name?

posted on September 24th, 2009, 7:20 pm

What's wrong with the name?

He said the name alone implies Temporal tampering... Cochrane was told about the Enterprise...

[Baleful]

posted on September 24th, 2009, 7:23 pm

Last edited by Baleful on September 24th, 2009, 7:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.

What's wrong with the name?

have you seen the old kirk movies?  the TNG conference lounge,  ALL the enterprises on the wall,  wooden sailing ship, the US Aircraft carrier (CVN-65), the NASA Shuttle (OV-101),        then 1701.

did you ever see the NX-01 anywhere?

technically, it should have been Dauntless.  name goes with the number,  so NX-01A USS Dauntless would have made sence.

posted on September 24th, 2009, 7:35 pm

Favoritism.

posted on September 24th, 2009, 7:52 pm

And why, having all the Pacific Ocean at its disposal, Godzilla ends in Japan in all movies, EXCEPT the US one, where it goes to... Suprise! New York?

Never had interest in Australia or the Philippines? No visiting Hawaii?

Same with the BBC produced Doctor and with the Paramount produced Star Trek franchise. Though the question of why San Francisco and not Los Angeles is interesting. And one could wonder how come that the HQ for the UFP is in San Francisco and not in New York.

As for the "tampered timeline" question, I have not seen even one episode of ENT and I don't plan to. So for me, it's just an alternate reality and I tend to ignore it. But that's me.

posted on September 25th, 2009, 12:57 am

I think one has to think out of the box as there is not One  timeline but many time lines  some run parralell to others and others  go off on a tottally differnt direction. there was A TNG eppisode where  Worf goes  in to a dimentional tear and kept jumping to alternate Realities than his own.A simple    wasy to  grasp it is  draw a line  stop pick a direction go in that direction.make a point, now with a differnt colour  duplicate the  line you have just drawn. now go back to the point where you first turned and go straight. after a few  permutations one can see that there are  simmular  yet distinctly differnt patterns on the paper.

posted on September 25th, 2009, 1:04 am

About the borg: actually they were coming to Earth in TNG because they received a transmission from those borg drones in enterprise. T´Pol said it takes about 200 years or so until the subspace signal would reach the delta quadrant, which fits the time that cube came towards earth. It should also be noted that Q then wasn´t actually the one who set the feds up with the borg, he merely warned them (in a drastic way surely).

Well and why wasn´t the "first" enterprise a model in picards room ? Simply because the show (enterprise) didn´t exist by then. Indeed very messed up continuity on the part of the writers, but that´s the single flaw in all of star trek you never get rid of i guess.

posted on October 7th, 2009, 7:43 am

Though the question of why San Francisco and not Los Angeles is interesting. And one could wonder how come that the HQ for the UFP is in San Francisco and not in New York.

Actually I forgot were it said this but part of the reason San Fransisco is the HQ for the Federation is that during world war 3 almost every major city was destroyed except for San Fransisco, so it had the most resources and infrastructure to establish a world government and then became the logical seat for the Federation HQ.