!REAL! Star Trek XI trailer out!!!!

posted on January 26th, 2008, 7:03 am

Hmmm, I was told that AvP 2 was actually good... compared to the first AvP.

Well, according to Wikipedia (the flim is actually called Aliens vs Predator 2: Requiem, BTW)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_vs. ... r:_Requiem

Whilst it did apparantly make a substantial profit at the box office, it was absolutely smashed by the critics (16% on Rotten Tomatoes). The original was smashed as well (22% on Rotten Tomatoes)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_vs._ ... %28film%29

posted on January 27th, 2008, 12:43 am

Someone used their Photoshop skills to create an image where you can see a bit more:

http://screenrant.com/images/enterprise-detail.html

posted on January 27th, 2008, 12:58 am

The hull looks extremely thin 

posted on January 27th, 2008, 1:06 am

I'm thinkin' it's made of some advanced 23rd centrury material that can handle a photon torpedo or two. Actually wait... generally a torpedo will go right through the ship if the shields are down. But, hey! I'm sure it's a nice engineering composite material or something! 

And remember, they can make "transparent" aluminium in the 23rd century which they couldn't make in the 1980s but which we... sort of, figured out how to do by late 2007. 

posted on January 27th, 2008, 4:57 am

Well actually, in Star Trek, starship hulls have never been really thick, but yea, the Enterprise's outer hull in this looks way thinner than usual...

Heh, the Enterprise's bussard collectors look like jet turbines...

posted on January 27th, 2008, 6:20 am

Exactly what I was thinking! 
What's this real transparent aluminum you are thinking of?

posted on January 27th, 2008, 6:55 am

And remember, they can make "transparent" aluminium in the 23rd century which they couldn't make in the 1980s but which we... sort of, figured out how to do by late 2007

Well the hulls of ships in Star Trek are made out of things like tritanium and duranium... Transparent aluminium is just what the windows are made out of...

Besides, even in Archer's time, photonic torpedoes could produce a blast of at least 20 megatons... by Voyager's time, this had risen to at least 200 megatons (meaning it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for the 1701 Enterprise's photons to be able to put out 80-100 megatons)... you'd be pretty hard-pressed to resist a blast that powerful with any material (a Shadow warship in Babylon Five was destroyed when it absorbed the equivalent of about 60 megatons when it was caught in the explosion radius of a 500 megaton nuclear device)...

ST-v-SW.Net :: Overview

ST-v-SW.Net :: Rise[VOY] and Torpedo Firepower

Shadow Warships

posted on January 27th, 2008, 11:34 am

There are some great pics on that site Triarii, and a lot of useful info too.

The transparent aluminium I was referring to Dom, well, it isn't aluminium but it's as strong as steel. Actually, err, it depends which discovery you're talking about

http://www.rense.com/general20/transparentalum.htm

http://www.physorg.com/news110727530.html

We always overestimate short term technology (5-10 years), but greatly underestimate long term technology (20 years plus), which is why by the 23rd century most of our abilities will far surpass the Star Trek universe. Hell, we even have the vibrant field of quantum information technology which could provide primitive transporter technology by the end of the 21st century, and this could be an underestimation of the kind someone in 1908 might have made about 1998. And because our technology is accelerating, the definitions of "short" and "long" term I mentioned become compressed with time. Ok speech over!! 

posted on January 28th, 2008, 12:02 am

Yea... I mean, I don't think anyone in 1907 (or even 1957) could possibly have predicted the kinds of technology we have today... and new stuff is cropping up every day now...

posted on January 28th, 2008, 4:16 am

Ah cool! I know about the second type of super-strong material, but I hadn't heard of the first 
Can't wait for quantum computers 

posted on January 28th, 2008, 1:22 pm

20-ish years for quantum computers, it's still in the "lab" stage where there are technical hurdles to be surmounted (like that ever stopped anyone). Well within our lifetime though!! And change things they will. All the most important problems in physics are quantum mechanical systems, and therefore can be simulated properly only on a QC. Classical computers will seem like neat toys to our children.

posted on January 28th, 2008, 2:35 pm

Now, which type of quantum computers were u guys thinking of? I've heard several different ideas for them, and I don't know which one is "true" or if there is a "true" QC. By true, I don't mean... not real... but I mean the computers which will actually be quantum computers, or if there are different types.

posted on January 28th, 2008, 3:14 pm

Not the one by a company called "D-wave systems", which can only be a fraud at this stage, and the work was not even reviewed by experts, so is best viewed with great suspicion.

The only real (but primitive) quantum computers exist in research laboratories, where they are finding ways to increase the numbers of interacting "qubits" (quantum bits). These computing devices have even executed some calculations, and there are a number of different approaches, including photonic designs, diamonds and even some silicon versions. Some also make use the phenomenon of magnetic resonance, which is the basis for NMR and MRI scanners. Electrons can also be used as qubits, since they exhibit the property of spin, not spin in the classical sense (spinning top), but quantised spin.

I go with the nutty professors rather than the businessmen to be honest. D-wave never even bothered to explain to us what type of QC they made, or how it works, or what results they achieved, etc etc. As with anything, I'd believe if shown the evidence. In the mean time it's quite exciting to watch our classical computers increase in power exponentially according to Moore's law while we wait for QCs. 

posted on January 28th, 2008, 8:49 pm

Unfortunately Moor's Law will hit a wall .... eventually.  But then again, so will QC's and all the other fancy technological devices humanity comes up with 

posted on January 28th, 2008, 9:10 pm

Is that "wall" defined as the time when all our creations rise up against us?