Generations battle re-cut

posted on March 30th, 2011, 1:47 pm

well even a photon torpedo o 2 would cause damage just because there photons dsnt mean there nothing more than  flashing lights since they done direct hull damage to the warp core area theat would have easily dne enough damge to the warpcore systems to make it unstable im actually supprised they managed to evac and seperate in the time they had

posted on March 30th, 2011, 1:48 pm

i think the fact that the ent b was the only ship near the sol system was more stupid.

although the generations ending does make sense, i also would have preferred something more grand, even if not all ships die grand deaths.

posted on March 30th, 2011, 1:59 pm

i also would have preferred something more grand, even if not all ships die grand deaths.

The thing is... the first Enterprise was destroyed to save people, after they tried all they could under their circumstances.
The second one was decomissioned, we never learned what happened to the third one, the fourth one got destroyed while making a final stand against four hostile warships and the fifth one (which everyone knew for seven years on the show) just got successfully spied out by the Duras-sissies who everyone on board the Enterprise (especially on that ship lol) knows to be tricky and sneaky and slimy.
I think that the Enterprise D would have deserved an even more epic death than the first and the fourth Enterprise combined. It didn't even need to be seen on screen, they could have just mentioned it in an opening scene for First Contact (which would have been better than "is it still a dream? Or is it the actual movie now?").
Sometimes the unseen things are better and more encouraging to use the own imagination. On movies this can work very well.

posted on March 30th, 2011, 2:06 pm

the first ent was the nx01

the ent 1701 (as refitted - same ship as in tos, just refitted) self destructed to kill around a dozen klinks and save a few people on the surface of genesis planet. wasnt really that awesome. the ent C's death was nice though. pity we didnt get to see it.

posted on March 30th, 2011, 2:35 pm

That's the Photons, I don't remember phasers having that kind of power. Only a a hand Phaser hitting the core at point-blank range can do that.

I got that information from here(when I wrote it I didn't remember that the source is TOS):
Phaser – Memory Alpha, das Star Trek Wiki
--> the German article about phasers. The source were they got the information from is the episode "balance of power" - TOS though. Perhaps 2centuries later they got hulls that can withstand a phaser shot. Or the phasers got weaker, since the classic Enterprise could wipe out a whole planet with its armament, as mentioned several times.

Of course it was a very sad ending to the most beautiful Enterprise ever. In my opinion they shouldn't have killed it at all, I don't like the Sovereign class very much.

@Myles
Well, It's a nice tool to create horror and suspense to not show the action. That's why we didn't see the actual battle at Wolf 359, only the damaged ships afterwards. The viewer is left with his own imagination, which can be more terrifying than getting everything presented on a tablet. It's sometimes sad that movies develop into a CGI festival, you don't need any imagination, everything has been made up by the director already.

posted on April 1st, 2011, 6:57 pm

If I were the Klingons i would have struck at their weapons control (which they did). Might have tooken half of their weapons out.

posted on April 1st, 2011, 6:59 pm

If they did, they did a terrible job; the weapons facing straight at them and in plain view of their weapons displayed no signs of damage, even to the hull around them.

posted on April 1st, 2011, 7:04 pm

the first ent was the nx01

Poorly done spinoffs that dont bother to even call themselves star trek in the title until they get mocked dont count.

the ent 1701 (as refitted - same ship as in tos, just refitted) self destructed to kill around a dozen klinks and save a few people on the surface of genesis planet. wasnt really that awesome. the ent C's death was nice though. pity we didnt get to see it.

Agreed, the way the End died was gay.

Ent C death wasnt in battle, remember alternete Yar and others were captured, which means the ship blew up after the battle.

Some books put it as battle ended, crew captured, ship blew while being towed, as I recall.

[Tyler]

posted on April 1st, 2011, 7:07 pm

Last edited by Tyler on April 1st, 2011, 8:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Captives doesn't mean the ship survived the battle to die later; capture fleeing Escape pods and Shuttles or transport crew off. That Tasha doesn't seem the kind to ever surrender the ship.

posted on April 1st, 2011, 7:45 pm

Poorly done spinoffs that dont bother to even call themselves star trek in the title until they get mocked dont count.

stop trying to start that same argument again, we've had it before, if u want it again, put it in another thread. enterprise is canon, and you cant change that no matter how much you whine.

If I were the Klingons i would have struck at their weapons control (which they did). Might have tooken half of their weapons out.

they did something better, they targeted engineering, breaking all the flux capacitors and energiser bunnies that make the ship go.

posted on April 2nd, 2011, 1:14 am

enterprise is canon

Only if TOS isnt. They contradict.

Also if the klinks in generations were not stupid, they would have just gone directly BELOW the enterprise, fired torpedos directly from below at the warp core ejection hatch, and gotten an instakill.

posted on April 2nd, 2011, 2:35 am

To paraphrase Gene Roddenberry, he said that if TOS material was contridicted by new material, then that TOS material be discarded.

I don't like it, but he said it.

posted on April 2nd, 2011, 3:13 am

And in that case, I shall ignore Roddenberry, as he no doubt assumed that new material would be competently produced.

posted on April 2nd, 2011, 3:16 am

+1 

[Tyler]

posted on April 2nd, 2011, 11:24 am

Last edited by Tyler on April 2nd, 2011, 11:27 am, edited 1 time in total.

Only if TOS isnt. They contradict.

What, something Trek contradicting other canon? Who'd have expected it? They're both canon (aside from the above 'contradiction' statement, which I'm not too fond of myself).

Contradictions in ENT are best sorted by calling them 'historical inaccuracies'.