Galaxy Should be Buildable
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posted on December 27th, 2011, 2:39 am
Well, if insults continue to fly, then yes, it will be locked - if people can go back to being courteous and respectively, the thread will stay open 
posted on December 27th, 2011, 3:18 am
Andre27 wrote:I notice someone is butt hurt and ignores argument only to counter with "you're rude, technology solves everything, i stopped reading after.."
I do not know your age, but you start by ridiculing an example and further onwards you ignore any arguments to support previous example. And you have the galls to call me rude?
If you have something working inside that bone structure on top of you neck and shoulders, read and learn. Otherwise do yourself a huge favor and stop showing your ignorance.
As to the suggestion by kainula, it's probably best to hit the kill switch on this train wreck.
Lol again you don't quote where i said your rude lol and your claiming I'm making my self look ignorant lmao what ever kid.
I dont continue the debate about the galaxy with you purely because your an idiot who can't read correctly, i can't debate with someone who can't read english.
posted on December 27th, 2011, 3:20 am
please lock this.. it is just a distraction in the recent topics section at this point.
posted on December 27th, 2011, 3:47 am
Calling someone an idiot is being rude Mr XT, please calm down. There is no need for people to start insulting one another, just leave it.
The arguments against the Galaxy class being buildable in the competitive (and therefore most played) multiplayer aspect of the game are numerous and solid. But people should feel free to mod them in as they see fit, and if they think it's better, release it as a mod, like TCR is doing and if it gets popular enough people will play it online eventually.
Personally I could see some sneaky Federation avatar building old "warpin" ships with brand new tech to fool opponents into thinking the ships are weaker or have special abilities. I mean if you could prevent your opponent from scouting you building it, the ship could appear identical to the older version but provide some hidden benefit, like a passive boost to allied ships or big sensor range or whatever.
The arguments against the Galaxy class being buildable in the competitive (and therefore most played) multiplayer aspect of the game are numerous and solid. But people should feel free to mod them in as they see fit, and if they think it's better, release it as a mod, like TCR is doing and if it gets popular enough people will play it online eventually.
Personally I could see some sneaky Federation avatar building old "warpin" ships with brand new tech to fool opponents into thinking the ships are weaker or have special abilities. I mean if you could prevent your opponent from scouting you building it, the ship could appear identical to the older version but provide some hidden benefit, like a passive boost to allied ships or big sensor range or whatever.
posted on December 27th, 2011, 3:55 am
I think one thing we can agree on the galaxy class is that it it hard to find a "right" answer. There are many different interpretations of the ship, and the ships role in the star trek universe. With this in mind it is important to remember that everyone has put time and effort into creating what they view as a unique idea, yet often times ideas about the same subject are very different.
It is important to remember that these interpretations can't be classified as right or wrong, rather they display the creativity of the individuals here on the forums. This clash of ideas can create an opportunity for healthy and stimulating discussion, where a broad range of ideas and views can be brought forth, and from that melting pot of creativity, new and refined ideas can be forged.
It is important to remember that these interpretations can't be classified as right or wrong, rather they display the creativity of the individuals here on the forums. This clash of ideas can create an opportunity for healthy and stimulating discussion, where a broad range of ideas and views can be brought forth, and from that melting pot of creativity, new and refined ideas can be forged.
posted on December 27th, 2011, 4:44 am
galaxy buildable? no. it was a great ship, but feds have better and it takes huge amounts of ressources and time to build. but... I would have a slightly smaller version that acts as a troop ship or planetary assault ship. i mean how many episodes of DS9 have they talked about feds taking planets and ships. they couldn't have done that without specialised SF forces. but with its large fireing arc, it could be used as an old support ship, just add a new power-core, modern phasers and photons with more phasers and photons, with extra shielding. It would become a tank.
so:
Gal: no
Gal re. troop:yes
Gal re. support: YES
so:
Gal: no
Gal re. troop:yes
Gal re. support: YES
posted on December 27th, 2011, 7:12 am
Last edited by godsvoice on December 27th, 2011, 7:23 am, edited 1 time in total.
I think the last couple points of unleash and ray were pretty good points.
If we took the idea of a specialty avatar, perhaps. The two current admirals are of fairly young age from their profile pic. I think the one avatar is planned for, but the fourth isn't or is it?
If we make the fourth admiral an older admiral, like Admiral Paris (the father) or Janeway or whoever is older in this time period, we might get some favour to older ship classes from this admiral. I'm not suggesting we whip out the old miranda's and constitutions, no admiral now is that old. But Janeway and others would have been say captain or first officers etc when the Galaxy was in the main swing of things. They might get schematics for this ship for building purposes. Aside from the devs who seem pretty adamant about their position.
I personally think that the arguments against Galaxy being build able aren't that strong, despite a few good points. The overwhelming reasons for Galaxy is much more convincing.
Against: Galaxy is expensive, it is older design (technical problems or weaknesses), it is not a warship (Explorer) long build time, not many were made to begin with.
First, discredit for warship. It is an explorer true, but it's a damned powerful one. As far as I know, FO star fleet is not at war. The Dominion war is over, Borg queen's been spayed, Klingon's and Romulans were both Allies after Dominion war, Cardassians are finished. So I think it's a little nonsensical to say, it's more an explorer than meant for war - what war is stopping the Galaxy from being rebuilt as a newer design after Dom War? There is no defined war in FO these are skirmishes battles, who knows. But the Galaxy is a powerful ship. The two ways of destroying a Galaxy in the shows was DS9 and the movies. Movie was a surprise attack when the Galaxy shields frequency was known and therefore useless, the other was a sucker punch from a dominion bug that was just to over emphasize the threat, since we all knew the galaxy from tng. Even now in FO the bug has its attack that does considerable damage. Nothing shows me that we just wouldn't ever build this ship ever again.
Let's put, expensive, old, and long build time together. Expensive, and long build time first are not reasons to never build a ship. There can be expensive ships with long build times that make sense. Cough Phalanx. Older designs can be reintroduced with newer technologies and uptodate whathaveyou. E2's.
Not many were made to begin with... well ok, only a handful were made a dozen or so, or whatever it is two dozen. This was the flagship. It was a newer design at the time. But there is nothing to say that they wouldn't have continue to be built if the Dominion war had been averted. If there was no reason for the defiant, or the sovereign, the galaxy would have been the star of the fleet. The threat from here is borg. So it would have been galaxies and new designs against borg ships. Again, since all these wars are over, maybe star fleet is going to redesign the galaxy for a new age of trek exploration. Do we really think the alpha quadrant, realistically, is going to plummet back into war after what the dominion just did? Shit, they just united the entire alpha quadrant. Dom and Cardassians were defeated.
Both sides have arguments... sure. But not definitive enough to say the galaxy is now a relic.
It's a little disappointing that the devs are so intent on never building it. At the same time, it's their mod, and their views. But sensible arguments, I don't think we can just say 'no galaxy'. Even in later episodes of voyager, and last episode of TNG galaxy was there. Refitted, or some still there. Riker commanded the future ship. Alternate timeline or not, ... big deal. It's possible to put the Galaxy into commission again.
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Not minding the multiple seasons that show the Galaxy to be a great ship, even with two examples of galaxy being destroyed, it is still an absurd argument.
Wait, you mean we designed a galaxy class starship, and one or two were destroyed? Well scrap the whole line then dammit!!! No no no, I don't care about a refit, or fixing the problems that CAUSED the destruction. I would rather build an entire new line of ships, than find a way to fix a few shield emitters and phaser output problems. We only build ships that never get destroyed in the line of duty. That is the only way for things to make sense when your at war...
Are we trying to be comedians in this forum?
If we took the idea of a specialty avatar, perhaps. The two current admirals are of fairly young age from their profile pic. I think the one avatar is planned for, but the fourth isn't or is it?
If we make the fourth admiral an older admiral, like Admiral Paris (the father) or Janeway or whoever is older in this time period, we might get some favour to older ship classes from this admiral. I'm not suggesting we whip out the old miranda's and constitutions, no admiral now is that old. But Janeway and others would have been say captain or first officers etc when the Galaxy was in the main swing of things. They might get schematics for this ship for building purposes. Aside from the devs who seem pretty adamant about their position.
I personally think that the arguments against Galaxy being build able aren't that strong, despite a few good points. The overwhelming reasons for Galaxy is much more convincing.
Against: Galaxy is expensive, it is older design (technical problems or weaknesses), it is not a warship (Explorer) long build time, not many were made to begin with.
First, discredit for warship. It is an explorer true, but it's a damned powerful one. As far as I know, FO star fleet is not at war. The Dominion war is over, Borg queen's been spayed, Klingon's and Romulans were both Allies after Dominion war, Cardassians are finished. So I think it's a little nonsensical to say, it's more an explorer than meant for war - what war is stopping the Galaxy from being rebuilt as a newer design after Dom War? There is no defined war in FO these are skirmishes battles, who knows. But the Galaxy is a powerful ship. The two ways of destroying a Galaxy in the shows was DS9 and the movies. Movie was a surprise attack when the Galaxy shields frequency was known and therefore useless, the other was a sucker punch from a dominion bug that was just to over emphasize the threat, since we all knew the galaxy from tng. Even now in FO the bug has its attack that does considerable damage. Nothing shows me that we just wouldn't ever build this ship ever again.
Let's put, expensive, old, and long build time together. Expensive, and long build time first are not reasons to never build a ship. There can be expensive ships with long build times that make sense. Cough Phalanx. Older designs can be reintroduced with newer technologies and uptodate whathaveyou. E2's.
Not many were made to begin with... well ok, only a handful were made a dozen or so, or whatever it is two dozen. This was the flagship. It was a newer design at the time. But there is nothing to say that they wouldn't have continue to be built if the Dominion war had been averted. If there was no reason for the defiant, or the sovereign, the galaxy would have been the star of the fleet. The threat from here is borg. So it would have been galaxies and new designs against borg ships. Again, since all these wars are over, maybe star fleet is going to redesign the galaxy for a new age of trek exploration. Do we really think the alpha quadrant, realistically, is going to plummet back into war after what the dominion just did? Shit, they just united the entire alpha quadrant. Dom and Cardassians were defeated.
Both sides have arguments... sure. But not definitive enough to say the galaxy is now a relic.
It's a little disappointing that the devs are so intent on never building it. At the same time, it's their mod, and their views. But sensible arguments, I don't think we can just say 'no galaxy'. Even in later episodes of voyager, and last episode of TNG galaxy was there. Refitted, or some still there. Riker commanded the future ship. Alternate timeline or not, ... big deal. It's possible to put the Galaxy into commission again.
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Not minding the multiple seasons that show the Galaxy to be a great ship, even with two examples of galaxy being destroyed, it is still an absurd argument.
Wait, you mean we designed a galaxy class starship, and one or two were destroyed? Well scrap the whole line then dammit!!! No no no, I don't care about a refit, or fixing the problems that CAUSED the destruction. I would rather build an entire new line of ships, than find a way to fix a few shield emitters and phaser output problems. We only build ships that never get destroyed in the line of duty. That is the only way for things to make sense when your at war...
Are we trying to be comedians in this forum?
posted on December 27th, 2011, 1:57 pm
Last edited by MrXT on December 27th, 2011, 2:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
godsvoice wrote:I think the last couple points of unleash and ray were pretty good points.
If we took the idea of a specialty avatar, perhaps. The two current admirals are of fairly young age from their profile pic. I think the one avatar is planned for, but the fourth isn't or is it?
If we make the fourth admiral an older admiral, like Admiral Paris (the father) or Janeway or whoever is older in this time period, we might get some favour to older ship classes from this admiral. I'm not suggesting we whip out the old miranda's and constitutions, no admiral now is that old. But Janeway and others would have been say captain or first officers etc when the Galaxy was in the main swing of things. They might get schematics for this ship for building purposes. Aside from the devs who seem pretty adamant about their position.
I personally think that the arguments against Galaxy being build able aren't that strong, despite a few good points. The overwhelming reasons for Galaxy is much more convincing.
Against: Galaxy is expensive, it is older design (technical problems or weaknesses), it is not a warship (Explorer) long build time, not many were made to begin with.
First, discredit for warship. It is an explorer true, but it's a damned powerful one. As far as I know, FO star fleet is not at war. The Dominion war is over, Borg queen's been spayed, Klingon's and Romulans were both Allies after Dominion war, Cardassians are finished. So I think it's a little nonsensical to say, it's more an explorer than meant for war - what war is stopping the Galaxy from being rebuilt as a newer design after Dom War? There is no defined war in FO these are skirmishes battles, who knows. But the Galaxy is a powerful ship. The two ways of destroying a Galaxy in the shows was DS9 and the movies. Movie was a surprise attack when the Galaxy shields frequency was known and therefore useless, the other was a sucker punch from a dominion bug that was just to over emphasize the threat, since we all knew the galaxy from tng. Even now in FO the bug has its attack that does considerable damage. Nothing shows me that we just wouldn't ever build this ship ever again.
Let's put, expensive, old, and long build time together. Expensive, and long build time first are not reasons to never build a ship. There can be expensive ships with long build times that make sense. Cough Phalanx. Older designs can be reintroduced with newer technologies and uptodate whathaveyou. E2's.
Not many were made to begin with... well ok, only a handful were made a dozen or so, or whatever it is two dozen. This was the flagship. It was a newer design at the time. But there is nothing to say that they wouldn't have continue to be built if the Dominion war had been averted. If there was no reason for the defiant, or the sovereign, the galaxy would have been the star of the fleet. The threat from here is borg. So it would have been galaxies and new designs against borg ships. Again, since all these wars are over, maybe star fleet is going to redesign the galaxy for a new age of trek exploration. Do we really think the alpha quadrant, realistically, is going to plummet back into war after what the dominion just did? Shit, they just united the entire alpha quadrant. Dom and Cardassians were defeated.
Both sides have arguments... sure. But not definitive enough to say the galaxy is now a relic.
It's a little disappointing that the devs are so intent on never building it. At the same time, it's their mod, and their views. But sensible arguments, I don't think we can just say 'no galaxy'. Even in later episodes of voyager, and last episode of TNG galaxy was there. Refitted, or some still there. Riker commanded the future ship. Alternate timeline or not, ... big deal. It's possible to put the Galaxy into commission again.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Not minding the multiple seasons that show the Galaxy to be a great ship, even with two examples of galaxy being destroyed, it is still an absurd argument.
Wait, you mean we designed a galaxy class starship, and one or two were destroyed? Well scrap the whole line then dammit!!! No no no, I don't care about a refit, or fixing the problems that CAUSED the destruction. I would rather build an entire new line of ships, than find a way to fix a few shield emitters and phaser output problems. We only build ships that never get destroyed in the line of duty. That is the only way for things to make sense when your at war...
Are we trying to be comedians in this forum?
Against: Galaxy is expensive, it is older design (technical problems or weaknesses), it is not a warship (Explorer) long build time, not many were made to begin with.
It wasnt so much expensive because of its size, that's just time consuming look at the deridex, the romulans have never had problems building that because of resources and the feds resources go far beyond the small romulan territory. It was expensive because of all its insides, originally it was a family ship and was refitted during the dominion war to do without all those creature comforts, holodeck ect so it would be faster and cheaper to produce.
Wait, you mean we designed a galaxy class starship, and one or two were destroyed? Well scrap the whole line then dammit!!! No no no, I don't care about a refit, or fixing the problems that CAUSED the destruction. I would rather build an entire new line of ships, than find a way to fix a few shield emitters and phaser output problems. We only build ships that never get destroyed in the line of duty. That is the only way for things to make sense when your at war...
Are we trying to be comedians in this forum?
Agreed 100%
posted on December 27th, 2011, 2:09 pm
Agree with Godsvoice! but we will play the game with or without the galaxy :thumbsup:
posted on December 27th, 2011, 2:20 pm
Yes, I can understand the insides being more of a problem. But even with the expense issue, yes, one reformatting it for dominion war without all the flashy parts works. And two, its most expensive at the beginning. After its been in production for a while, and they speed up the process, I think its reasonable to assume that the time of construction and expense of resources goes down. Mostly because of new technologies that would be developed a decade or so after its being introduced. Technology wouldn't solve major things, just make it slightly faster and cheaper.
That is one of the few points I think the other side has, is that the galaxy was more of a luxury ship. It was designed for civilians as well. So it really wasn't designed for Dominion Wars. Even so, they were definitely used in Dominion wars, so they are still worth putting in the front lines, you just cut down the civilian crew part. But I would at least give them the argument that if you need lots of numbers of ships, to defend against a wider area, you build smaller ships like the akira, steamy, sabre etc etc. More ships, more coverage. So, yes, in the mainstream line of war, they would not be the primary unit you build.
As far as the whole, the galaxy is entirely out of production argument... I just can't see that in any way shape or form. It's like the ultimate ship for exploration they have. Whatever problems with the design, or whatever... are we forgetting this is the federation? How many thousands of cadets do they have coming out top of the line engineers, and how many scientists do they have across the union? I'm sure the engineering of star fleet says to reorient the purpose of the galaxy, rather than scrap it or delete it from the line. Even if it isn't your main building unit, you still have purposes for them.
The only argument is mass war production for huge area coverage. But wars are over. Alpha quadrant is at peace. So any argument drawing on cannon I think is fairly weak. As for FO storyline... well thats FO storyline and up to the Devs. If it is their preference to write out the galaxy, ok... But even if you are trying to consider FO to be taking place as a battlefront, it isn't like we're saying every battle is in the middle of one gigantic war. The galaxy is still very useful. I will never fully understand the choice or reasoning... but oh well. I am happy to at least get the ship through warping. I get all cheery when I see her flash on the screen. So there's that.
I would support an avatar specific galaxy build unit.
That is one of the few points I think the other side has, is that the galaxy was more of a luxury ship. It was designed for civilians as well. So it really wasn't designed for Dominion Wars. Even so, they were definitely used in Dominion wars, so they are still worth putting in the front lines, you just cut down the civilian crew part. But I would at least give them the argument that if you need lots of numbers of ships, to defend against a wider area, you build smaller ships like the akira, steamy, sabre etc etc. More ships, more coverage. So, yes, in the mainstream line of war, they would not be the primary unit you build.
As far as the whole, the galaxy is entirely out of production argument... I just can't see that in any way shape or form. It's like the ultimate ship for exploration they have. Whatever problems with the design, or whatever... are we forgetting this is the federation? How many thousands of cadets do they have coming out top of the line engineers, and how many scientists do they have across the union? I'm sure the engineering of star fleet says to reorient the purpose of the galaxy, rather than scrap it or delete it from the line. Even if it isn't your main building unit, you still have purposes for them.
The only argument is mass war production for huge area coverage. But wars are over. Alpha quadrant is at peace. So any argument drawing on cannon I think is fairly weak. As for FO storyline... well thats FO storyline and up to the Devs. If it is their preference to write out the galaxy, ok... But even if you are trying to consider FO to be taking place as a battlefront, it isn't like we're saying every battle is in the middle of one gigantic war. The galaxy is still very useful. I will never fully understand the choice or reasoning... but oh well. I am happy to at least get the ship through warping. I get all cheery when I see her flash on the screen. So there's that.
I would support an avatar specific galaxy build unit.
posted on December 27th, 2011, 2:46 pm
Last edited by MrXT on December 27th, 2011, 2:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
The only argument is mass war production for huge area coverage. But wars are over. Alpha quadrant is at peace. So any argument drawing on cannon I think is fairly weak. As for FO storyline... well thats FO storyline and up to the Devs. If it is their preference to write out the galaxy, ok... But even if you are trying to consider FO to be taking place as a battlefront, it isn't like we're saying every battle is in the middle of one gigantic war. The galaxy is still very useful. I will never fully understand the choice or reasoning... but oh well. I am happy to at least get the ship through warping. I get all cheery when I see her flash on the screen. So there's that.
Yeah but when i see the galaxy and how powerful it is there especially as it ranks up you realize it does not belong there its just too powerful a ship to be dumped with those old ships.
I have every respect for the devs, their work and their choices but when other people try to defend the reasoning with crazy theory's that just are not strong enough i just cant accept it because it makes no sense. The galaxy is a great ship and if i were an admiral i would definitely be using in up there in the frontline. It definitely needs another refit like quantum torpedo launchers maybe even an added quantum pulse but other than that its still a first class ship with its current armament.
I can only think of 1 strong argument against the galaxy and thats the feds already have loads of ships already.
posted on December 27th, 2011, 3:09 pm
Dominus_Noctis wrote:Well, if insults continue to fly, then yes, it will be locked - if people can go back to being courteous and respectively, the thread will stay open
I believe the time to lock the topic has come now. Directly following your post another taunt/insult was posted by the person who baited me into losing my temper. I should not have lost my temper, but there is a limit to one's patience and although it is no excuse i am only human.
In my opinion no good can come from letting this topic continue.
posted on December 27th, 2011, 7:19 pm
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dom's the one who looks like gandalf.
dom's the one who looks like gandalf.
posted on December 27th, 2011, 7:40 pm
Myles wrote:[img width=300]http://chzbronies.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-brony-untitled2.gif[/img]
dom's the one who looks like gandalf.
We all noticed, but we were polite enough not to comment on the resemblance
posted on December 27th, 2011, 7:58 pm
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