Borg power source???
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posted on June 12th, 2010, 7:32 pm
Last edited by Tyler on June 12th, 2010, 7:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
So they assimilate and use every piece of tech found to swap from time to time? They only add what they see as the best to their ships.
Most likely and only, since even Borg shields glow. This discussion wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Voyager changing the Borg from what TNG showed.
I understand what you mean about lack of info though, Star Trek is well known for that... despite being one of the largest fictional universes.
That give a funny image... Massive Cube terrorizing the quadrent and chasing fleets around, only for the holocloak to break and leave a little Probe surrounded by an Armada.
Anyway, Holocloak with a shield? Never heard that...
Most likely and only, since even Borg shields glow. This discussion wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Voyager changing the Borg from what TNG showed.
I understand what you mean about lack of info though, Star Trek is well known for that... despite being one of the largest fictional universes.
Arash8472 wrote:1 word : Holo-cloak
What IF the borg outer hull is some sort of a hologram thingy seen in voyager episode/enterprise episode?) from what i understand of holo-cloak is that it is it's own shield. So basically, you see borg hull, but that hull is actually the shield, while the REAL hull is deeper.
That give a funny image... Massive Cube terrorizing the quadrent and chasing fleets around, only for the holocloak to break and leave a little Probe surrounded by an Armada.
Anyway, Holocloak with a shield? Never heard that...
posted on June 12th, 2010, 7:37 pm
Last edited by Dave Denton on June 12th, 2010, 7:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Yeah, it might be a Structural Integrity type of Field. We don't know for sure what exactly is, or at least I don't.
I'm intrigued as well to what these shields are, and what power system may be used to generate the power.
I'm intrigued as well to what these shields are, and what power system may be used to generate the power.
posted on June 13th, 2010, 4:09 am
Tyler wrote:Anyway, Holocloak with a shield? Never heard that...
i mean think about it, armada 2 had the holo-cloak ship in the borg last mission, and from what i understand, hologram is a force-field type technology, and force-field = shield so.. OH YEA i think it was also in SFC3 where the Romulus plunged fed/kling into war. I forgot what i was talking about...
i remember that in enterprise the romulans were using holo-cloak to prevent the creation of the federation, and no matter how many times the enterprise tried to hit it, it didn't penetrate their "shields" but then they found some weird breach in it's power source(?) and was able to disable it(?) Anyways, This is what happened in the 1999 movie where the borg went to the past. "Picard" ordered the fleet to target a unique part of the cube- therefore destroying the cube
posted on June 13th, 2010, 4:43 am
Ex Astris Scientia actually gives a good theory on the Borg's shielding system.
The theory is that unlike everyone else's shields, the Borg base theirs on interference rather than dispersal. Dispersal is left to the internal security fields. Which explains why rotating phaser frequencies will let you get in a few more shots, and why torpedoes work more often than phasers. Once the Borg have determined your frequency/frequencies in use, they raise a field calibrated to simply nullify that specific energy frequency with minimum energy expended and maximum effect achieved.
This would mean that the more individual ships engaged, the more of a drain it would be on the Borg power supply to maintain a shield against all of those frequencies. Torpedoes, by issuing a multispectral burst likely at varying frequencies would be harder to adapt to, and costlier once adapted. Perhaps to the point where energy->matter conversion is cheaper, and they just regenerate the hull instead.
It also explains the Cube only issuing offhanded swats at Enterprise-D, but lashing out at full power against the fleet at 359.
The Cube, under this theory, would effectively be running an energyDPSStructure spreadsheet for the battle, and in order to bring the energy drain down to an acceptable level was smashing ships rapidly to reduce incoming DPS.
There is further theory given that the Borg cannot instantly access all countermeasures data in the collective. This is perhaps due to data transmission speeds. An attack in the heart of Borg space would likely be completely futile, as all data eventually makes its way there, thus making all countermeasures instantly available. Vessels and Drones farther out have to either send a request for data, or analyze it themselves and transmit the resulting data back to the collective. Until they have that data, raising the interference fields is useless, or at least far too taxing. The Queen, when she said 'our shields are failing' may have been meaning that they had yet to analyze the weapons, and were running the shields at such a wide array of frequencies that it was rapidly depleting their power reserves.
These two theories together also explain why physical combat works so well on the Borg, as well as projectile weapons. It is unlikely that a structure, vessel, or drone would be placed as such a high priority that they create dispersion/deflection based shielding.
The theory is that unlike everyone else's shields, the Borg base theirs on interference rather than dispersal. Dispersal is left to the internal security fields. Which explains why rotating phaser frequencies will let you get in a few more shots, and why torpedoes work more often than phasers. Once the Borg have determined your frequency/frequencies in use, they raise a field calibrated to simply nullify that specific energy frequency with minimum energy expended and maximum effect achieved.
This would mean that the more individual ships engaged, the more of a drain it would be on the Borg power supply to maintain a shield against all of those frequencies. Torpedoes, by issuing a multispectral burst likely at varying frequencies would be harder to adapt to, and costlier once adapted. Perhaps to the point where energy->matter conversion is cheaper, and they just regenerate the hull instead.
It also explains the Cube only issuing offhanded swats at Enterprise-D, but lashing out at full power against the fleet at 359.
The Cube, under this theory, would effectively be running an energyDPSStructure spreadsheet for the battle, and in order to bring the energy drain down to an acceptable level was smashing ships rapidly to reduce incoming DPS.
There is further theory given that the Borg cannot instantly access all countermeasures data in the collective. This is perhaps due to data transmission speeds. An attack in the heart of Borg space would likely be completely futile, as all data eventually makes its way there, thus making all countermeasures instantly available. Vessels and Drones farther out have to either send a request for data, or analyze it themselves and transmit the resulting data back to the collective. Until they have that data, raising the interference fields is useless, or at least far too taxing. The Queen, when she said 'our shields are failing' may have been meaning that they had yet to analyze the weapons, and were running the shields at such a wide array of frequencies that it was rapidly depleting their power reserves.
These two theories together also explain why physical combat works so well on the Borg, as well as projectile weapons. It is unlikely that a structure, vessel, or drone would be placed as such a high priority that they create dispersion/deflection based shielding.
posted on June 13th, 2010, 7:09 am
silent93 wrote:Ex Astris Scientia actually gives a good theory on the Borg's shielding system.
The theory is that unlike everyone else's shields, the Borg base theirs on interference rather than dispersal. Dispersal is left to the internal security fields. Which explains why rotating phaser frequencies will let you get in a few more shots, and why torpedoes work more often than phasers. Once the Borg have determined your frequency/frequencies in use, they raise a field calibrated to simply nullify that specific energy frequency with minimum energy expended and maximum effect achieved.
This would mean that the more individual ships engaged, the more of a drain it would be on the Borg power supply to maintain a shield against all of those frequencies. Torpedoes, by issuing a multispectral burst likely at varying frequencies would be harder to adapt to, and costlier once adapted. Perhaps to the point where energy->matter conversion is cheaper, and they just regenerate the hull instead.
It also explains the Cube only issuing offhanded swats at Enterprise-D, but lashing out at full power against the fleet at 359.
The Cube, under this theory, would effectively be running an energyDPSStructure spreadsheet for the battle, and in order to bring the energy drain down to an acceptable level was smashing ships rapidly to reduce incoming DPS.
There is further theory given that the Borg cannot instantly access all countermeasures data in the collective. This is perhaps due to data transmission speeds. An attack in the heart of Borg space would likely be completely futile, as all data eventually makes its way there, thus making all countermeasures instantly available. Vessels and Drones farther out have to either send a request for data, or analyze it themselves and transmit the resulting data back to the collective. Until they have that data, raising the interference fields is useless, or at least far too taxing. The Queen, when she said 'our shields are failing' may have been meaning that they had yet to analyze the weapons, and were running the shields at such a wide array of frequencies that it was rapidly depleting their power reserves.
These two theories together also explain why physical combat works so well on the Borg, as well as projectile weapons. It is unlikely that a structure, vessel, or drone would be placed as such a high priority that they create dispersion/deflection based shielding.
Sounds like a good explaination to me since it explains why the Queen needs to personally oversee some assimilations like in Dark Frontier and First Contact, due to the distance lag.
As for Borg power systems my only theory was that they have power nodes, capable of generating someting relatively small like 10,000 terajoules per node, they have a million/millions of those spread throughout the vessel which is at least 10 000 000 000 terajoules. This way it explains how they manage to simultaniously meet their enormous power requirements while maintaining a decentralized power source.
posted on June 13th, 2010, 2:00 pm
Remember that hearing the Collective didn't require any power source though - just made you more 'psychically tuned', at least according to the descriptions in TNG and VOY. Also 'explains' why all those who were previously assimilated could hear the collective even after their nanoprobes and most implants had been removed.
posted on June 13th, 2010, 6:00 pm
However, Picard couldn't hear them unless they were very close. Seven only heard them when they were actively transmitting to her.
And it's those active transmissions that are the issue. A cube in the Alpha Quadrant has to use a comm system of some sort to request data. There's likely at least a few days of delay on a request back to the delta quadrant (far better than the centuries it would take with subspace radio).
And it's those active transmissions that are the issue. A cube in the Alpha Quadrant has to use a comm system of some sort to request data. There's likely at least a few days of delay on a request back to the delta quadrant (far better than the centuries it would take with subspace radio).
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