Borg Origins

posted on February 16th, 2007, 1:34 pm

glmpf! I hate that LegaCrap V'Ger Theory; Reason:: Watch the end of TMP; there V'ger melts together with Decker/Ilia to that $"new Entity" aka $higher Life form; So if i am a higher LifeForm I would look back at my past and realise, that i have left some dust and other garbage (the BORG) behind and that i NEED to clean it up (in this case, end the exsistence of the species BORG, if V'ger truly made them) and not just vanish and let one quarter of the galaxy "fall" under the curse of being BORG space. Well i can't say anything to the novels cause i haven't read them and those LegaCrap comics; well *shiver*; do i need to say more?

posted on February 17th, 2007, 1:17 am

I'm with you Entirely.

I hated that Vulcan Borg plot too.

Either go straight borg.

or straight creepy vulcan.

Ty and goodbye.

And I wished there was more enterprise D missions.

And maybe Cardassians too.

posted on February 17th, 2007, 7:22 pm

I'm with you Entirely.

I hated that Vulcan Borg plot too.

Either go straight borg.

or straight creepy vulcan.

Ty and goodbye.

And I wished there was more enterprise D missions.

And maybe Cardassians too.

oh you mean those 2 Missions or was it just one? well i was confused that I was given the new ship after such a short time with the D. Then i laughed, then cried and since then i know that Star Trek Games ARE cursed

posted on April 5th, 2007, 7:15 pm

My personal theories are somewhat of a mixture of what Legacy says and what Shatner wrote about in The Return. I think that V'Ger encountered a primitive form of the Borg. These primitive Borg weren't the single minded juggernaut that we know, but were a race who decided to embrace cybernetic implants as a way of life. There was most likely some form of the collective consciousness, but it was perhaps more voluntary similar to psychic communication. I think that V'Ger encountered these people, perhaps crash landing on their planet or found adrift by one of their ships. They decided to assimilate its technology into their own and that's when the mindless drive to assimilate began. V'Ger's entire mission was to assimilate knowledge, and that got transformed into the drive of the Borg to assimilate technologies and other species. This probably also perverted the collective consciousness into more of what see in present Borg.

As for the Queen, I think that there are several Queens. It's a bit hard to explain, but if you've ever played StarCraft I can make it simple. When playing the Protoss you needed pylons to power your structures. As you expanded your base you needed extra pylons to power further structures. These pylons have a specific radius that they will power. This is how the Borg Queen works. I think she is how the Borg control the individuality and free will of each drone. It all gets rerouted to her instead. She controls them and keeps them mindless automatons, but her influence only reaches so far, so there needs to be many Queens to cover the entirety of the Collective. Basically, she acts as a physical representation of the collective mind. But that leads to the question: Why is she represented as a humanoid rather than just another piece of equipment like the power nodes on a Borg vessel? That's not entirely clear, but since, in a way, the Borg evolve through the assimilation of other species and technologies, there was perhaps a new knowledge that they gained that made a humanoid Queen viable? Certainly it had its uses in First Contact and in the Voyager episodes where she made appearances...

Just a thought =)

posted on April 5th, 2007, 11:49 pm

pretty big thought

posted on April 6th, 2007, 11:48 pm

Maybe there's only one queen, but it's personality is stored on a computer.  Therefore its body is no more that a puppet and it's destruction in irrelevant.

posted on April 7th, 2007, 10:55 pm

The Voyager books "Homecoming" and "Farther Shore" give information on the queen. Acording to the books the queen is like a protocal. when the queen dies the protocal goes off and creates another queen to take her place. The books explain it better than I do.

posted on April 8th, 2007, 1:56 am

I enjoyed those books a good bit, and they did provide a very good eplanation, clearer than any canon source.  I'm thus inclined to accept it.

[MutantHippie]

posted on July 19th, 2007, 9:59 pm

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Copied and Pasted from - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek)#Origin

Origin
Over thousands of centuries, the Borg have encountered and assimilated thousands of species (as attested by Guinan and the Borg Queen). However, little information regarding the true origin of the Borg millennia ago has been divulged in Star Trek canon. In Star Trek: First Contact, the Borg Queen merely states that the Borg were once much like humanity, "flawed and weak," but gradually developed into a partially synthetic species in an ongoing attempt to evolve and perfect themselves.

It is speculated in the Star Trek Encyclopedia that there could be a connection between the Borg and V'ger, the vessel encountered in Star Trek: The Motion Picture (TMP); this is advanced in William Shatner's novel, The Return. The two entities are similar in concept and philosophy:

The Borg are born as wholly organic beings and are melded with hardware to become biomechanical hybrids. They somewhat idolize a totally artificial state, which allows the android Lore to conquer a group of them in "Descent" (TNG).
V'ger is originally a machine – an interplanetary probe that was programmed to learn what it could about the universe – is significantly enhanced, and wants to see and touch its creator (a human) in order to fulfill its mission and evolve to a higher level of existence.
V'ger "melds" with two persons (Willard Decker and Ilia) and, in so doing, evolves. With reasonable conjecture, the Borg, a cybernetic organism – i.e., a fusion of person and machine – is born.

The V'ger origin story could be reversed into a "V'ger from Borg" origin theory – V'ger could have been aided by Borg. A piece of supporting evidence can be found in the novelisation of Star Trek: The Motion Picture written by Gene Roddenberry. In the novel, the V'ger entity notes that the Ilia probe is resisting the programming given to it because of the residual memories and feelings for Decker. When V'ger becomes aware of this, it is aware that "the resistance was futile, of course", which is almost identical to the Borg phrase, "Resistance is futile".

The extra section of the game Star Trek: Legacy contains the "Origin of the Borg" which tells the story of V'ger being sucked into a black hole, living machines finding the probe, altering it and sending it back. It sought its creator, but could not find one like itself or its creator. At that moment it deemed all carbon-life forms as an infestation of the creator's universe. Assimilation was its only tool to learn and grow. It catalogued all carbon-based life and technology. Drones were made in V'ger's image and merged into a collective mind. All that was learnable was returned to V'ger. As the collective grew a voice was needed. The collective found that the females of a certain species with mental prowess could sift through all the thoughts, bringing order to chaos and effectively increasing data gathering. However, this implies that V'ger travelled back in time and created the Borg in the past. This is because the Voyager 6 probe that became V'ger was created on earth sometime after 1977, while the Borg were first mentioned to have existed in the 15th century delta quadrant; of course, this could have been a result of the probe's trip through a black hole. This plot line concept allows for a shocking circle that the greatest foe mankind has ever faced was our own creation.

its a long bit of info to read but some good ideas.

posted on July 20th, 2007, 12:12 am

They somewhat idolize a totally artificial state

Best of both worlds,
Picard in sickbay after the rescue says to data that he is an inferior being and will be dissembled.
The reason Lore was able to take over was because he gave the iBorg a purpose and order.   

posted on July 20th, 2007, 5:22 am

Copied and Pasted from - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek)#Origin
This plot line concept allows for a shocking circle that the greatest foe mankind has ever faced was our own creation.

The reason Lore was able to take over was because he gave the iBorg a purpose and order.   

This might go off-topic:
The Borg seem somehow to be like the Cylons in BSG. Created by man and following one order, one God.
It would be interesting if the creators of BSG took this idea from Star Trek or came up with it for themselves. Anyhow the wiki from above and the "Origin of the Borg" in Legacy give us a new perspective on the Borg.
If it would have been intended, I assume that there would have been more focus on the Borg. But today we could say that the Cylons in BSG are the realisation of an idea and a philosophy which could already had laid its ground in Star Trek.
Nice to see how certain ideas break through after a certain time under certain circumstances.

[Ntanel]

posted on July 20th, 2007, 9:21 pm

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The Borg started as a pre-technological species that would have been destined to live happily on their planet in the Gamma Quadrant if not for the fact an advanced race decided to pay them a visit.  The Borg were not happy with the visitors and killed them.  The Borg was a group of rather backwards people with a load of technology unknown to them.  Over the course of decades the Borg learned to adapt and utilize the technology, eventually venturing into outer space.

The Borg, more of less, became increrasingly greedy as they encoutered other species.  Upon confrontation they would kill the other species and take their technology, adapting it to their own.  Along the way they encoutered a species which had created technology that allowed for long-distance neural communications.  The communications were rather scattered and required control, hence the Borg Queen.

As the Borg grew and adapted both more mechanical and organic technologies, the decision was made to grab all advanced technologies.  Once they had aquired the ability,  assimilation became preferred for those who  owned technology the Borg wanted, all to ensure it could not be used against them.  In addition, the Borg grew and was able to retain knowlege from other species, without having to learn things the hard way.  There have been a few species that the Borg could not assimilate, including 8472.

The Borg were not introduced to the Alpha Quadrant until Q teleported the Enterprise-D to the Gamma Quadrant.  The Borg scanned the Enterprise-D and aquired starcharts of the Alpha Quadrant.  At that point in time the Borg had not aquired Transwarp technology.  It would still be another few years before they either assimilated or created it.

The mention of V'ger is a tie-in with the original series.  However, the device was destroyed when Captain James T. Kirk proposed the question as to its perfect being flawed if it was created by a human, which is not perfect.

All of this took place within a span of roughly 2,000 years.  The lesson is, there is always a good reason to have a Prime Directive.

posted on July 20th, 2007, 9:47 pm

I just can't bear it any more!!! 

One must not live one's life carrying a secret on one's shoulders. I must, therefore, speak.

It was I, the Doctor, who made the abysmal mistake of creating the Borg. Oh, they looked not like the Borg when I created them. In fact, my creation was but one sentient being, one life. It took me years to stabilise the union of cybernetic and biological components, but it was worth the wait in the end, or so I thought. I named my new creation "Sonny".

At first, all was well. We sat by the warm log fire, making chit-chat and telling jokes, until the winter breeze seeping through the drafty old wooden door made us uncomfortable. Then one night as I slept, I felt a strong metallic grip take hold of my throat. "I won't do obeisance to you any longer", said Sonny, with some trepidation. "I'm a free being. I'll make you understand one day".

The next day I woke up in Queen's maritime hospital with a throbbing gash on my forehead in the shape of a candlestick. When I explained to the police officer who did it, he believed me not. On the hospital television I heard a news report that several NASA scientists had reported the sighting of a "metal being" and were "acting strangely". The next month they launched their latest deep space probe and I never heard anything of it again until now. So it was that Sonny set off on his centuries-long space journey that would result in the demise of billions, all to allay his fear of being controlled and his lust for autonomy. And it is I, the Doctor, who is ultimately responsible.

Where did I go wrong? I fear that I gave him too much leeway. It was a mistake to indulge in idle conversation over hot cups of cocao on those cold wintery nights. It was a mistake to build him at all, but I still miss my dear Sonny, even despite what he and his cohorts became. I only hope that they see the light before it's too late. For all of us...

posted on July 20th, 2007, 9:56 pm

That previous post sounds oddly familiar.

posted on July 21st, 2007, 7:20 pm

That previous post sounds oddly familiar.

Yeah it sounded familiar to me too as I was recalling it. It's a pity it was so long ago since I might have remembered more of the details. In any case, it soothes my soul to come clean and display honesty and integrity for a change