Secret service dont Trust Royal Navy

[MrXT]

posted on October 15th, 2011, 9:11 pm

Last edited by MrXT on October 15th, 2011, 9:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Obama bedroom in missile crisis | The Sun |News

I read this in the paper this morning it made me rofl and spill my tea.

Just for the record those powerful missles are pointing in the air...NOT at a hotel.

posted on October 15th, 2011, 11:43 pm

yeah i was crackin up lol

posted on October 16th, 2011, 6:38 am

Just for the record those powerful missles are pointing in the air...NOT at a hotel.

It's worth noting that missiles can change their flight direction. That whole side of the hotel would have been easy to hit with the turret at that particular facing.

Besides, it's the Secret Service's job to freak out if a weapon is aimed in the general direction of somebody they're guarding.

posted on October 16th, 2011, 11:00 am

"The Sun" lol

posted on October 16th, 2011, 1:15 pm

It's worth noting that missiles can change their flight direction. That whole side of the hotel would have been easy to hit with the turret at that particular facing.

Besides, it's the Secret Service's job to freak out if a weapon is aimed in the general direction of somebody they're guarding.

Well unless mrs obama and her children are capable of flying i dont think there was any threat...sea dart missles are surface to air missles and you could not have fired them at a hotel what so ever as the system that the british use to fire them requires that a target is locked and its made to lock onto targets in the air not on the ground.

posted on October 16th, 2011, 2:43 pm

It's worth noting that missiles can change their flight direction. That whole side of the hotel would have been easy to hit with the turret at that particular facing.

Besides, it's the Secret Service's job to freak out if a weapon is aimed in the general direction of somebody they're guarding.

as you say missiles can change direction in flight. so any missile within miles of that building would be capable of hitting the building if targeting could be handled by hostile boarders. it doesnt matter what direction the missiles are pointing in, they can still hit the building. it seems the secret service werent thinking too hard. if they freak out when there are weapons nearby that are capable of hitting the obamas then they would be in constant panic.

posted on October 16th, 2011, 3:40 pm

Besides, it's the Secret Service's job to freak out if a weapon is aimed in the general direction of somebody they're guarding.

It's important that a distinction is made between "aimed" and "pointing". "Aimed" is deliberate, pointing is not. The weapon was not aimed at the hotel; it was pointing at it.

posted on October 16th, 2011, 5:18 pm

as you say missiles can change direction in flight. so any missile within miles of that building would be capable of hitting the building if targeting could be handled by hostile boarders. it doesnt matter what direction the missiles are pointing in, they can still hit the building.

While missiles can turn, they are limited by their turning radius, hence the turret.

if they freak out when there are weapons nearby that are capable of hitting the obamas then they would be in constant panic.

They pretty much are, lol.

It's important that a distinction is made between "aimed" and "pointing". "Aimed" is deliberate, pointing is not. The weapon was not aimed at the hotel; it was pointing at it.

Not really. If we were in the same room and I was cleaning a gun which happened to be pointing in your direction, even if I swore that there was no magazine in the gun and no round chambered, would you be completely relaxed or ask that I point the gun elsewhere?

Anyway, the whole discussion is moot since they calmed down once they learned that the missiles were dummies for training and are incapable of actually firing.

posted on October 16th, 2011, 6:02 pm

Not really. If we were in the same room and I was cleaning a gun which happened to be pointing in your direction, even if I swore that there was no magazine in the gun and no round chambered, would you be completely relaxed or ask that I point the gun elsewhere?

Completely different context, these missles were pointing in the air where else can they point them, would you prefer they were aimed at the ground.... not to mention they were surface to air missles and were no threat to anyone on the ground, then theres the fact that its a british war ship and begged the question shouldnt they trust us enough not to launch a missle at the presidents wife.

Altho i do think the story was also blown up as i seriously doubt they would have stormed onto the ship as they would have been shot dead long before they were able to get their point across.

What i think happened is someone from the secret service went over and asked if the missles were live or not as its their job to make a note of anything that is a potential threat to the people they are protecting.

posted on October 16th, 2011, 6:20 pm

It's their job to worry - if you want to pick a fight with it, send a letter to your local representative etc . Wouldn't be the first time a missile or object has been used for an unintended purpose. Planes flying into buildings, ground to ground missiles knocking out overflying objects, balloons carrying explosives - you name it, it can be a weapon.

posted on October 16th, 2011, 6:27 pm

Not really. If we were in the same room and I was cleaning a gun which happened to be pointing in your direction, even if I swore that there was no magazine in the gun and no round chambered, would you be completely relaxed or ask that I point the gun elsewhere?

Well, the effect is the same, but there is still a difference in intention. The warship's guns were not aimed at the hotel. It just needed pointing out, as saying that they were aimed at her room implies it was deliberate.

posted on October 16th, 2011, 10:31 pm

While missiles can turn, they are limited by their turning radius, hence the turret.

yes, but if the boat had been 50 km away from the shore the missile would have ample time to hit the building even if not pointed directly at it at launch.

so any boat armed with sea darts within a large radius of mrs obama could have hit her.

[Boggz]

posted on October 26th, 2011, 6:46 pm

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Dummy rounds or not, I think the point was that it's the JOB of the Secret Service to protect people.  It's their JOB to make sure the missiles 100 yards away that are POINTING at the first lady pose no threat .

  If the Royal Navy somehow saw that as crazy well ... then they're just mad themselves .


Let Boggzie the actor write out a little scenario for you.... 

Brandon Lee:  "Excuse me, sir?"
Stunt Man:  "Yes?"
Brandon Lee:  "When we're not filming would you mind pointing your stunt pistol at the ground?"
Stunt Man:  "Haha don't be silly.  It's filled with blanks."
Brandon Lee:  "Oh thank goodness.  I just noticed you were pointing it at me when we--"

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For those of you who don't know - Brandon Lee was the son of the great Bruce Lee and was killed on set by a Dummy Round that malfunctioned and was propelled by a blank into Brandon Lee's spine.

[MrXT]

posted on October 26th, 2011, 7:30 pm

Last edited by MrXT on October 26th, 2011, 7:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Dummy rounds or not, I think the point was that it's the JOB of the Secret Service to protect people.  It's their JOB to make sure the missiles 100 yards away that are POINTING at the first lady pose no threat .

  If the Royal Navy somehow saw that as crazy well ... then they're just mad themselves .


Let Boggzie the actor write out a little scenario for you.... 

Brandon Lee:  "Excuse me, sir?"
Stunt Man:  "Yes?"
Brandon Lee:  "When we're not filming would you mind pointing your stunt pistol at the ground?"
Stunt Man:  "Haha don't be silly.  It's filled with blanks."
Brandon Lee:  "Oh thank goodness.  I just noticed you were pointing it at me when we--"

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For those of you who don't know - Brandon Lee was the son of the great Bruce Lee and was killed on set by a Dummy Round that malfunctioned and was propelled by a blank into Brandon Lee's spine.

LOL

1st of all its a missile ...it doesn't matter where its pointing and it was pointing at the hotel they are aimed in the air as the royal navy do when they are docked in an allied position.

2nd They were not real.

3rd any douche with some basic knowledge of military systems should know how to identify a missle by sight and even the plonkers at the secret service should have been able to tell by looking at it that its a Sea dart missile which is a surface to air missile and unless mrs obama began flying it could not be fired at her, least of all through the window of a hotel.

4th what were they going to do if they were Surface-to-surface missiles, use harsh language... shoot at it with their uzi's. A fully armed Cruiser isn't exactly what the secret service is trained to deal with.

Besides that they should trust the British enough not to feel the urge to blow the presidents wife away no matter how ugly she is.

If the Royal Navy somehow saw that as crazy well ... then they're just mad themselves

Would you go over to a big gang holding Sa80s sat in a battle cruiser with loaded missiles and ask them to turn them off? and you think the British are crazy.

For those of you who don't know - Brandon Lee was the son of the great Bruce Lee and was killed on set by a Dummy Round that malfunctioned and was propelled by a blank into Brandon Lee's spine.

Not a blank.

Blanks are a casing with a small bit of paper inside and covered with tar on the tip and a primer to fire the poweder inside propelling the paper through the tar and out making  a loud bang. This is not deadly, it can explode of a water melon as do some minor damage as iv seen first hand but its not deadly.

From what i heard of brandens death was that some special effects guys pissed about with live ammo and replaced the insides with firework poweder plus some other crap to make a big bang but the gun used somehow hand a bullet lodged inside (no idea how) and the modified ammo launched that projectile out which hit and killed branden lee.

posted on October 26th, 2011, 9:50 pm

Here's a thought, since nobody on either side seems willing to change their minds on the issue, rather than talking about whether or not the Secret Service was justified, how about we consider why they weren't informed beforehand that a warship would be parked outside the first lady's hotel for training?