Interesting Climate Change Talk

posted on December 16th, 2008, 11:19 pm

It seems Ewm that you didn't read what I had to say. Remember that some experts suggest the Roman Empire collapsed due to climate change. It's not news to me that deserts are growing or ice is melting. Emotion is important, but can cloud our judgement.

Yes people are dying, but there are also a lot more people than ever before (obviously), and most of them live in places vulnerable to disaster, such as the coast, or floodplains. That wasn't much of an answer Ewm. People see lots of things with their "own eyes", but they often jump to the wrong conclusion.

posted on December 16th, 2008, 11:46 pm

As I posted I have dyslexia I may have misted some thing but I read it to the best of my abilities.

I agree with what you posted so what do you suggest we move them? PEople at this point know the risks in most part for those in developing nations need to be informed and given options when a person is informed what happens to them happens.

On our be half we need to do what we can. I was lessening to a documantry that this time in earths history is the most inhabitable to humans then any other. We need to do what we can to keep the earth in the state it is there is a change that if we start a ice age that it may not lave as friendly a place after is ends.

posted on December 17th, 2008, 12:23 am

No Ewm, I'm sorry to be blunt but you didn't miss bits of my post, you missed the whole thing. I know you were responding to a different guy, but my points were valid enough, and require answering, if they can be answered.

Neither am I suggesting that people be moved from danger areas - it's not practical. My point was that natural disasters today cause more loss of life regardless of any warming present - because of where people tend to live, and because of the vast number of people. This is also why people think the 20th century was the most violent ever, even though it was the least. The number of people alive is vastly greater than in the past - more people died, but they represented a much smaller percentage.

These things illustrate just how easily we can be misled. People take a superficial glance of the immediate data, on top of a superficial understanding of how to analyse data, and not only that, they then respond emotionally. That's three counts of poor thinking that need to be eliminated. Many of the world's so-called scientists are just as prone to poor thinking and have a non-existent statistics education. In fact the more I progress as a scientist, the more I see how mediocre most scientists are. Fortunately, it doesn't matter, because a good scientist knows that consensus is unimportant. The scientific method exists whether its alleged practitioners choose to follow it or not. Science is not ruled by a Jehovah's Witness style governing body (or, it shouldn't be).

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posted on December 17th, 2008, 1:14 am

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Your post is smaller I get reading fatigue when I read long posts. I tend to skip parts so I can get the concepts witch has bean the best way in the past to deal with long posts. I have all so asked a cupel of time for people to make smaller post with mixed results.

Going to the point you made about misleading people. there is some thing I have found thew Landmark education about how people are being that makes it easy to manipulate them. Another thing I leaned is if every thing is the same and nothing changes what almost certain is then the same thing will happen over and over until some thing prevents it form happens death or a huge shift. Landmark offers a completely new way to look at things that give people a edge in life and all so helps them to see past the paging so called.

If one is truly out to making big things happen Landmark would be important step in make it real fast!

I would not have even dreamed about going up to the head of the gift shop in the place I worked and ask them to shift there bags unless i had gotten what I got from Landmark.

Landmark is a perfect example of how to run a powerful successful business with the minimum.

going back to my spelling please be understanding. Thanks for how much you understanding you have already shown it is knotted and appreciated.

posted on December 17th, 2008, 3:44 am

I think your right Dr. Lazarus, you have very valid points, I don't think it isn't real but its just not much information too go off of, and what models they do have seem way out in left field, I mean the man in the movie stating co2 emissions will double and triple in just a few years (meaning 5-10) of what we are doing now...that seems either 1) we are already too late, and the world as we know it is already over, because as he said it has a feedback loop or whatever he said, or 2) his models are off, this seems like the most logical scenario because to be honest they don't have much info and different sources of information to make a viable model for a world climate shift/change and if it is wrong then what else do they that is incorrect... I don't say do nothing but I say get more information about what we should be trying to fix... 

To simplify this problem I'm having with what Al Gore and other people in the Global Warming area are preaching is... my business professor was teaching my class one day about a simple method how to fix problems...what I found out from that class is that most of what we think of as problems are simptoms of the actual problems.  It seems they are trying to fix "the problem" before they actually know what the problem is... that is why we have the scientific method; its too find what really matters, and to go about science in a rational and logical way.  How it goes now these people are wanting change now, and change so quickly in such a large place leads too even bigger problems, what if what you were trying to do to fix the co2 problem actually makes the actual problem worse and there is goes, end of the world...


To sum this up in a short and sweet sentance, you shouldn't try to change something you know nothing or very little about...its like playing with fire, you shouldn't play with it unless your prepared to get burned.  I've watched too many twilight zone and outer limits episodes, lol. 

posted on December 17th, 2008, 4:19 am

What we do know is that CO2 is the cause of globule worming and globule worming is crating havoc and killing speeches and people off. We may no little but what we do know is if we do nothing we are looking at deserters bigger them what we know to do if left checked.

What we know is CO2 is the problem.

We know the effect is globule worming.

We can do some thing about CO2.

What is there do think about?

The alternative to trying is death and excision witch is not exemptible! If what we re doing now is not working we need to shift what we are doing there is no other option.

posted on December 17th, 2008, 10:19 pm

CO2 is a bi-product of what humanity is doing, well partly the reason, what else can cause hightened CO2 levels?  Ok, we need to do it now, only now, is that what car salespeople tell you?  This deal is on the table only for today, you need to act now or we will take it off...  Science isn't about now...im not actually going against you, hope you don't see it that way, but how they are making it sound like a car salesperson.

They should get grant money and head up research on how to actually find what the real problem is and find how to squash it...they are wanting a billion for one college, that is a lot of money, lets find out how much 1 billion dollars can give you...well you can feed most of africa for almost a year with that, and actually good food, not tac like what we give them currently...  And why are they hitting up colleges now?  I know why, a bunch of my friends and family friends know why... most of the scientific community is laughing at Al Gore and his followers because they are trying to "make" people change everything while providing no real proof...their proof shows the earth does this every 25-30 thousand years and then their models show somehow within 5 years CO2 emissions will double and triple...they have been saying that for over 5 years now...  Look up Truman and how he got the Marshall plan put into action?  If you do it looks like the same thing, scare tactics... 

If they want people to look at it differently take a different approach, don't be saying if this happens the world will end type stuff, what we found out is that the world and environment are delicate yes but they adapt quite quickly...so 5-10 years we will all be dead, that I shouldn't even laugh at its so stupid... 

I want humanity to change but the way isn't giving money too the problem and hoping it solves it, they need to go to capitol hill and help fix education, increase government spending in projects related to the furthering of human knowledge, increase incentives for businesses to modernize and expand not just operations but also their R & D departments, modernize cities with better ways of transportation. 

The way they are handling this is like a bunch of little kids messing with something they have no idea what it really is.  You know what little kids "tell" adults?  They want it now, if they want a toy they want it now, they want candy, they want it now, I say NO, we analyze the problem and find out how to really fix it without spending trillions of dollars to do it, which may or may not even fix the real problem. 

Here is a question for everyone, how does the government "fix" problems?  I'm being honest how do you think the US government fixes problems...?  Here is a hint, we need to not do what the government does for problems...