History/current events

posted on September 10th, 2007, 12:46 am

I think what RedShirt is trying to say is that what I said is complete bull-feces, because RedShirt's friend is more intelligent than me and knows what he is talking about. Consequently I think I am supposed to say something like "my entire argument is invalidated".

To Ewm, I am not sure if you are addressing me when you say "what debate you are referring to". If so I recommended Red reading Logical Thinking: one of the first couple a links that explain how to make a good debate.

posted on September 10th, 2007, 1:10 am

to DN:

Well, sorts, but not nearly as harsh in phrasing.  May I point out that you put words into my mouth and tried to portray me negatively as if that was my meaning?

I'm disappointed. 

Perhaps I should convey what I meant, as I seem to have failed.

In part, DN, you are correct.  I do trust his political opinion more that yours.  Much more, in fact, as he has already proved himself flexible, reasonable, and logical.  He has a nose for the truth, and has a way of finding it.  I cannot say that you truly understand the political factors of the Iraq war, in fact, your defense of ewm's remark suggests that you seem to villainize the Bush administrations and perhaps the Republicans in general. 

However, I can say with measurable certainty that my friend does indeed understand that Bush and republicans in general are not some group of power-craving demons who care about nothing but power.

You seem to suggest that they are willing to needlessly sacrifice lives in Iraq just to prove a political point and thus stay in office.  In this statement, you basically label them as evil, and worst of all you have nothing besides supposition and political rhetoric.

This is why I think that your opinion is either ignorant to the point of make-believe or so politically charged that it does indeed become invalidated because you choose to use your imagination instead of reason or fact.

I suggest you refrain for portraying me as evil just because I choose to trust someone else (whom I know better) rather than you. 

[Dominus_Noctis]

posted on September 10th, 2007, 1:45 am

Last edited by Dominus_Noctis on September 10th, 2007, 1:49 am, edited 1 time in total.

Darn it, I knew this would happen.
I know that I put your words into your mouth, I was trying to reinterpret what you had said to me. That said, it certainly seemed you were attacking me as your comments were more directed towards how well versed I was in the political scene, and my “political opinion” rather than debating the falseness of my statements. Your comments “I do trust his political opinion more that yours.  Much more, in fact, as he has already proved himself flexible, reasonable, and logical ” can be misconstrued or perhaps correctly interpreted as being a direct assault on my own ability to be “flexible, reasonable, and logical ”.

Also, may I point out that I SAID that my OPINION of the bush administration and republicans of this time was not favorable? However, I also believe that most, if not all, politicians are “some group of power-craving demons who care about nothing but power”. But this is a debate for another thread. Yes, I seem to suggest that “they are willing to needlessly sacrifice lives in Iraq”, but I do not say it because for all I know “they” may not be thinking of the war in that human respect, but only in its political results. Assuming makes an arse… forget it, as this equally applies to myself.

I would prefer that you do not simply dismiss my arguments as based on “supposition and political rhetoric”, that is not a good stance for a debate.

I am sorry if you ever gained the impression that I was portraying you as evil (even though I do not believe in evil), but the way in which you stated that you believe somebody else because I don’t know anything (you DID basically say this) is cause for alarm when we are supposed to be debating information and not attacking a person’s credibility.

May I ask what the point of your reply was… because you were not debating, just merely stating that I have no clue what I was talking about as you already said you would not respond again (please disregard that I am putting words in your mouth). This is better suited for the PM system, and I would prefer to talk about things of this nature there, and debate here.
-dom (if any of this sounded harsh, I am sorry: I just have to finish an essay and I wanted to write this quickly... and please read my posts in their entireity... you seem to have a penchant for missing some of my key phrases)

posted on September 10th, 2007, 2:12 am

Perhaps, then, this should be kept short to avoid further misinterpretations causing hard feelings:  Do you have any proof, at all, whatsoever, that the war is being used as a political tool?

Because if you don't, then it is based on nothing but supposition and political rhetoric.  And that is certainly no grounds for a debate.

You could suppose that the war goes on because of the selfish ambition of a few men.  However, what if I put for the theory that the war goes on simply because there is no way we can leave without the entire region erupting into civil, and possibly international, war?

posted on September 10th, 2007, 2:26 am

It may take me a couple of days to respond... this is not a result of my idleness or unwillingness to respond. I just have a lot of work at the moment and to give you the accurate research, I need to compile it, which takes time. I apologize for the inconvenience.

May I suggest that you state an opinion/justify something about the other topics mentioned so others may reply too?
sincerely, dom

posted on September 10th, 2007, 2:47 am

Well, that would be difficult.  Lets see...

'Nam was lost?  Who knows.  It was possibly the most screwed up time ever, and the discerning the truth from the lies and myth is a full-time job that I am neither qualified for nor interested in.  Vietnam is in the past; it is nothing but a ghost.  Just give it up.  Let it finally die, in peace.

Iraq has no hope left?  What, exactly, do you mean?  Hope in Iraq is indeed scarce.  I personally blame the British, who ever so stupidly decided to draw the borders by the ancient regions and split the Kurds between Turkey, Iraq, and Iran.  Because of that, war is inevitable.  It's just a matter of when and how.

Ewm, you are not an economist, neither am I.  The economy is hopelessly complex, and making a difficult and in no way clear-cut determination such as that is best left to the true experts.

posted on September 10th, 2007, 4:29 am

Ewm, I hate you, I have always hated you, and I always will hate you.

Seriously dude, wtf.

-DEFIANT

posted on September 10th, 2007, 7:15 am

Umm nice to see you posting again. But you will need to be for specific in what your cussing at.

posted on September 10th, 2007, 1:50 pm

Ewm, I hate you, I have always hated you, and I always will hate you.

Seriously dude, wtf.

-DEFIANT

lol, lol, lol, lol, LOL!!!

PD comes back after two years just to say how much he hates ewm!

Bloody hilarious! 

posted on September 10th, 2007, 2:35 pm

I had a good laff. it Keeps things lively.

I love you too PD.

posted on September 12th, 2007, 3:52 am

1)well what to you do when your fighting a gorilla war it aint easy
2) on the contrary hope can keep comming from sorces such as joining the millitary why dont you try to belive in the strength of the united states
3)1st off no the war goes on so we win 2nd well if they keep it up what do you expect and 3rd this point is just plain retarded.
4)well if want to belive that why not help by working hard and buying expensive sh*t to enhanse the ecnomy

well plainly most of you statement are for nothing but to offend americans and american supporters so in sumattion people like you ane whats wrong with america and you need to stop or america will die


Vote republican

and welcom back PD its nice to see you back and represinting we republicans

posted on September 12th, 2007, 3:59 am

Can you please state what you are responding too I am abit confuted to what you are trying to state.

posted on September 12th, 2007, 4:06 am

your points of debate those are my views and opinions and truths belived my me and the greater portian of my family

posted on September 12th, 2007, 5:07 am

Thanks, but I don't represent the Republican party, I represent common decency.

posted on September 12th, 2007, 5:22 am

You ran for office? Some things wrong here?