Spring tournament game statistics 5-14-2011

[Anonymous]

posted on May 16th, 2011, 5:46 pm

Last edited by Anonymous on May 16th, 2011, 7:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.

While I had wanted to enter the current tournament, I was really busy with final exams, and my internet has been terrible as of late.   :(  But hopefully I'll be back up and ready to play some games soon!

In the meantime, I thought the tournament was a perfect way to get some data on the game.  A lot of people have been complaining about certain races being terrible, but so far that's not what the data is showing.  Speaking of, here are the number of wins and losses and other things.  I simply counted wins and losses of each race, and did not specifiy avatars to make it simpler.  It is current as of 5-14-2011:

Borg:  10 wins, 11 losses   Win/Loss Ratio:  .91            Total times used- 21

Feds:  16 wins, 13 losses   Win/Loss Ratio: 1.23          Total times used- 29

Klingons:  7 wins, 10 losses   Win/Loss Ratio:  .7          Total times used- 17

Dom:  2 wins, 2 losses   Win/Loss Ratio:  1                    Total times used- 4

Romulans:  9 wins, 8 losses   Win/Loss Ratio: 1.13       Total times used- 17


Ironically, the Romulans have the second best win/loss ratio 

Now, while we can't really use this data to "prove" anything (other than the feds and borg are REALLY popular right now ), it is interesting that every race has a ratio close to 1, or just as many losses as wins, which is what we would expect from a broad sample of our player base.

So if you're a non-fed or borg player, just keep focusing on your strategies vs those two races and you'll up your chances of winning.  Also, don't be afraid to pick the race you really like, as they are all statistically doing well.  Go go game balance.

Edit:  I miscounted the fed, win loss ratio by one.  Before I said they had won 15 games and lost 14, but it is in fact 16 wins and 13 losses  Their new ratio is a little higher (when you're working with numbers this small, the effect is quite great).  This is still very close, and there are many games to go.  The info has been corrected.  Sorry for the inconvenience.

Fun fact:  If you're facing a lot of warp ins, taking them out first can actually be a huge advantage, as they tend to be slower, and thus it's harder for them to retreat, increasing your chances of a kill.  This runs against the conventional wisdom that says you should take out the smaller ships, which can still be saved due to good micro.

posted on May 16th, 2011, 5:56 pm

lol if u go strictly by these stats (a stupid thing to do) the roms are overpowered despite losing some gen refits

sorry fedrats.

posted on May 16th, 2011, 6:00 pm

Lol, shows how good balance is in this patch.

posted on May 16th, 2011, 6:18 pm

I think I'll do this at the end of the tournament as well.  Some of us test games in 1v1 and try to be a little more objective than "I think this race sucks!!! >:(".  With the tournament, we're getting a broad range of skill and some hard numbers.  I think this is a good thing.

posted on May 16th, 2011, 6:36 pm

how come Dom is rarely used?

posted on May 16th, 2011, 6:40 pm

Dominion are rarely used because they have a more complex economy, and thus are harder to learn.  They're easy to use, once you understand them, but most people don't want to take the time, I think.  The feds, on the other hand, are much easier to learn (plus they are the premier "Star Trek" race, which appeals to some people).  The Borg are also rather popular, due to the cool new toys they got in this patch.

posted on May 16th, 2011, 7:30 pm

Dominion are rarely used because they have a more complex economy, and thus are harder to learn.  They're easy to use, once you understand them, but most people don't want to take the time, I think.  The feds, on the other hand, are much easier to learn (plus they are the premier "Star Trek" race, which appeals to some people).  The Borg are also rather popular, due to the cool new toys they got in this patch.

They have a difficult early tech ladder that is difficult to use 1 mistake and the game is lost, in my opinion the dom need a redo because early strats are usually just b8 spam then b5 spam.

posted on May 16th, 2011, 7:36 pm

Wrong!  But thanks for playing our game!

Those might be the only strategies some people use, just as some people used to just frigate spam.  But those are many other viable build orders out there for the dominion.  People just choose not to use them.

posted on May 16th, 2011, 8:45 pm

yeah, wasnt everyone's favourite dominion strat s2 spam a while back?

dominion only need a proto to switch strats for the small yard. which is better than needing a new tech building.

posted on May 16th, 2011, 9:02 pm

Uninteresting. Make a SPSS or R file where the data can be crossmatched. Balancing is great, if there is no race that was not able to win against one other specific race - and also, the total number of snap samples is far to small ... But indeed, you could read this data very balance-friendly

posted on May 16th, 2011, 9:18 pm

You have the data in hand.  Be my guest if you wish to do a deeper analysis.

The sample size is indeed small.  It's also the largest, verifiable sample to date that we have for the game.  I'm sure you see the dilemma.

Really, the only point I wanted to make is that one race is not "der uber" race over all the others.  Each one is winning and losing at a similar rate.  If anyone wants to look deeper than that, then more power to them.

posted on May 16th, 2011, 10:13 pm

No I have not. I would need to know who won/lost against whom ... but anyway I have no time I just wanted to say it would be interesting for the blancing talk.

posted on May 16th, 2011, 10:58 pm

Just enough time to call it uninteresting.   I think it's slightly more interesting than that.  Just a little. :fox:

The who won/lost against whom can be found here, at the hitchhiker's website.  The tournament's not going anywhere for a while, so if your schedule opens up, go for it.  We'll all be looking forward to the results.

posted on May 16th, 2011, 11:14 pm

Just want to point out a potential "flaw" in this data. We tend to see new players playing Feds because that is who most people are familiar with, whereas more experienced players tend to play other races because of the general consensus that Feds are the strongest race currently.

Thus it would be quite possible for Feds to be close to a 1:1 win loss ratio without actually necessarily being balanced, because it seems like the average Fed skill level is lower but a lower skilled Fed is considered able to match a more highly skilled player of another race.

posted on May 16th, 2011, 11:44 pm

Yep, exactly.  Although we could just as easily assume that there are new players affecting the other races as well.  Take that "noob", Boggz, for example.  He lost to fallout, who was Romulan, and Boggz was Klingon!!!   Boggz should never lose when he's playing klingon, especially against those poor, underpowered romulans.  

That's why the idea of using a statistics program isn't really feasible, as our sample sizes are weird and we haven't "graded" everyone.  I'll say again (not for you, Unleash, just saying in general) that this isn't designed to "prove" anything.  And people who chant "race X is so overpowered to race Y" won't listen anyway.

However, just looking at it, we can see for example one player who has lost all his games, but he has played both federation and romulan.  RedEyedRaven (hope it's ok to use you in an example )  Has lost 3 games and won 3 games.  He didn't just play feds, but has played a number of races.  He's not a new player, but his competition was fierce.  Overall, I think the distributions are fairly even.  But your point does have merit.