Flagship of the Federation!

posted on April 2nd, 2014, 8:18 pm

Thats just guestimation, cold war isn't a time of peace anyway so there's no way of seeing that statement as correct. Its clearly a battleship not a ship of exploration. Also not a cold war a cold war is when nothing happens, the USS odyssey got into a massive firefight with jemhadar attack ships and was later rammed this is an act of war and war was quickly declared by that eris guy and what followed was a massive build up. Your guesstimation is also wrong because the USS enterprice fought in the borg battle in sector 001 using the sovvie and that was in 2373 so obviously doesnt take that long for a ship to be designed and built.

I don't understand your assertion about "obviously doesn't take that long for a ship to be designed and built"... Where are you getting that from? When is it categorically stated when the Sovereign started to be designed? We know when it was finished, but not when it was started... So you're "guesstimating" too. So meh, whatever, points of view. Yours is just an opinion, just like mine.

Well i get that from whats right in front of me, the USS sovvie (prototype) was out in 2370 and the USS enterprise (sovvie version) was fighting the borg in 2373.

Prototypes are the design stage, prototypes are made almost as soon as a plan is drawn up thats how you move forward so mine is not guestimation it is deduction based on what we do now with aircraft and information on memory alpha taken from the shows.

posted on April 2nd, 2014, 8:38 pm

The USS Sovereign wasn't in the shows, nor does Memory Alpha state anything about it.

So no, still guesstimation.

Also, while a prototype is a stage of the design process, it is far from the first stage. We don't know how long it takes to get to that stage, but it will go through many many revisions and rethinks before a prototype is begun. And then there's building time for the prototype. Do you still think all that took place in whatever proportion was left of 2370 after the USS Odyssey went boom? If you're right about 2370 being when USS Sovereign was launched, that is. Which, as stated before, is your opinion, not canon.

posted on April 2nd, 2014, 9:27 pm

@eraldorh - okay man. you win......congrats! here's your prize





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..no but seriously. you need to go and rewatch Deep Space Nine from season 3 on. you tell me how many wars the Federation, the Klingons and the Romulans fought in and ill tell you that youre wrong. Oh and my 'source' is the television show that ran for 7 years.. of which ive seen every episode multiple times... And the fact that in Season 6 - Episode 1 - A Time to Stand, O'Brien comments that they've endured roughly "three months of bloody slaughter." Implying that between the Season 5 Finale and the Season 6 Opener..its been three months since they abandoned Deep Space Nine to the Dominion..meaning the War has been going on for only three months.. ending in Season 7 " What you leave Behind" sooooooooooooooooo whats 7-5??? If you guess 2..then you were correct!!! Yaaay you can subtract! congrats. Okay. feeding time is over.

Wow really i guess you know more than http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Dominion_War and all the trekkies that submit the information there. Silly me.

Yeah its easy to call troll when your wrong, go forth and bask in your ignorant glory.

Unum...were you trying to prove me right? Considering the first line says "The Dominion War was a two-year interstellar conflict fought between the Federation Alliance and the Dominion from 2373 to 2375." If you were..then thank you. It is greatly appreciated. And no I don't know more than memory alpha..we simply agree on all the facts.

edit: and as far as prototypes go..they would usually take 3-5 years from design to spaceframe..if we were to use 20th/21st century patterns of construction. For example the USS Enterprise CVN-65 was offfically greenlighted by the United States Congress in 1954. She began construction in 1958 and was launched in September of 1960.. Finallly being commissioned November 25, 1961... sooo thats approximately 7 years from green light..to design..to keel..to launch..to comissioned... Taking that sort of a timeine into account..and the fact that like the Defiant..the Sovereign was designed to fight the Borg...Wolf 359 was roughly 2366-2367 the Enterprise-E was launched around 2372 and fought the Borg in 2373... so roughly 5 years from the greenlight to build the Sovvy...which included the prototype pathfinder vessel and her sister ship, the U.S.S. Enterprise. Sooo i don't think 2 years is enough time to design and build a brand new multimisssion/tactical spacevessel. More than likely Starfleet decided to rechristen the second Sovereign class starship, USS Enterprise due to the destruction of the Enterprise-D at Veridian III in 2371.

posted on April 3rd, 2014, 12:07 am

Did anyone stop and consider that the article stating the Sovereign and the Galaxy were made in a time of peace, was an APRIL FOOLS post, therefore full of ridiculousness and not necessarily based on any kind of fact? I mean come on, we cant even have an April fools post without people going at it.

posted on April 3rd, 2014, 12:16 am

Did anyone stop and consider that the article stating the Sovereign and the Galaxy were made in a time of peace, was an APRIL FOOLS post, therefore full of ridiculousness and not necessarily based on any kind of fact? I mean come on, we cant even have an April fools post without people going at it.

LOL i thought the April Fools post was the Miranda now being Starfleet's Flagship LOL

posted on April 3rd, 2014, 12:23 am

It was, but the sovereign and galaxy statement was in that post.

posted on April 3rd, 2014, 4:45 am

@ray
I totally agree man. I look back at my first public mod, all those years ago, adding this very ship to Fleetops. It was a huge mistake. I feel I may need to boycott this decision.

Same on you that's blasphemy against the Miranda and one of the best era's of Trek the 23rd century.

Just for that, take some more Mirandas.

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posted on April 3rd, 2014, 6:07 am

Did anyone stop and consider that the article stating the Sovereign and the Galaxy were made in a time of peace, was an APRIL FOOLS post, therefore full of ridiculousness and not necessarily based on any kind of fact? I mean come on, we cant even have an April fools post without people going at it.

Yeah, I am rather puzzled about why it is that some people are taking this so seriously. It was April Fools. Lighten up, have some of my birthday cake.

posted on April 3rd, 2014, 8:15 am

All you Miranda fans could always get into TMP Era Trek, when the Miranda was (almost) new and actually good for something

posted on April 4th, 2014, 9:18 am

Prototypes are the design stage, prototypes are made almost as soon as a plan is drawn up thats how you move forward so mine is not guestimation it is deduction based on what we do now with aircraft and information on memory alpha taken from the shows.

You know not so I will help you understand. Firstly, a prototype is a final fully functional unit. Prototypes are not built 'as soon as a plan is drawn up', they are built right at the end actually, because they are 'beta' units. The word you are looking for is 'concept'. The ships drawn up during the design process are concept units, and are often hugely over-functional in one respect with other subsystems completely disabled, assuming that the design process follows our own RL one for cars, ships, planes, trains and all forms of transport and mobile military hardware. (I don't see why it wouldn't as everything else seems to as far as Sov design went).

Looking at the size of the vessel I would argue that it was much more warlike than the Galaxy class for example (and the Galaxy class was the quintessential explorer before this), but the Sov could well have been being built as far back as when Q threw pcard across the universe and he encountered the Borg way back in TNG series 2. I forget the stardate.

Hell it could have been being designed well before that, and the design been altered to accommodate the intel they had on the Borg (before they truly understood the Borg's adaptation ablities).

posted on April 11th, 2014, 6:45 pm

Finally, there she is! Model looks great!

posted on April 14th, 2014, 11:41 am

What Did I just read