Excelsior 2 Community Design

posted on September 3rd, 2007, 2:37 am

No, but you are a community member (respected, at that) and your opinion counts.

posted on September 3rd, 2007, 9:26 pm

oooh *gasp*, thanks!

...then on that note, from a stance completely devoid of star trek history, I have to say that I like the Flops team's design better for the Excelsior, as it makes the ship look more lethal. This is going to be kind of hard to describe, but the way the model appears, it looks as if the ship is an arrow from a top down perspective, with all the destructive energy being focused to a point at the front of the ship.... I don't know if any of this makes sense. From a lateral perspective the whole ship looks kind of like a dart or a chisel: very dangerous looking. The other design, although it looks well thought out, is too tame. It does look like something the federation would build a hundred(?) years before nemesis, when they were expanding peacefully and didn't have such nasty wars, (and thus perhaps it is better suited for a derelict or something you can build at a mercenary base) but now they need ships that are more powerful and I think the Flops design (preferably B with its nastily pointed nacelles) fulfills this.
-dom

posted on September 4th, 2007, 9:36 am

Last edited by calvary on September 4th, 2007, 3:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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#2 http://img154.imagevenue.com/img.php?im ... _994lo.jpg

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U.S.S. Excelsior NCC-2001

"After the Dominion War Starfleet begun decomissioning aging Miranda and Excelsior Class
Vessels Due to the existing formable Heavy Cruisers such as the Akira and Nebula.
With the newly signed Peace Treaty Between the Federation and Klingon Empire aswell as Perliminary
Talks between the Romulan Star Empire, Starfleet felt it strayed away from it's exploration and
scientific duties and called for a vessel to compliment the new proven Sovereign class. Based on
the Sovereign Class Prototype IV (2365) Designed for Long Range Exploration and Emergency Aid."

Enhanced Scientific / Explorer

Length 500 m
Beam 240 m
Height 75 m
Decks 20
Mass 3,000,000 mt
Crew 550

6x Fore Type XII Phaser Arrays
1x Fore Pulse Fire Quantum Torpedo Tube
1x Aft Type 4 Burst Fire Photon Torpedo Tube

Prototype Auto modulated shield system, total capacity 3,000,000 TeraJoules
Heavy Duranium/Tritanium Double hull plus 10 cm Ablative armour
High level Structural Integrity Field

Extra:
Fore Cargo Bay 1, Fore Cargo Bay 2
Aft Shuttle Bay 1, Aft Shuttle Bay 2
Aft Shuttle Bay 3
Prototype Hull Connection
Secondary Sensor Array

Note:
* Akira Class Phaser Strip
* Nova Class Bridge Module
* 1 extra Shuttle Bay
* 2 extra Cargo Bay
* Intrepid Class Shuttle Doors.

if you like it, let me know and i'll finish the rest of the ship. im definitley better at modelling lol :woot:

- Christine :innocent:

posted on September 4th, 2007, 7:12 pm

Last edited by Dominus_Noctis on September 4th, 2007, 8:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.

That looks cool! Show me the rest of the ship---errr, please?
As a complement to the excelsior Flops designed it looks perfect, especially with the background (yeah, more support ships!)... So is this supposed to be in place of the flops excelsior or ... maybe I misunderstood things.
Hopefully the team signs on (if there's a place for a new fed ship!)

posted on September 4th, 2007, 8:29 pm

I have no problem with it. Try pming Doca to get a real response.

I must warn you, they have always been fiercely independent in modding.

posted on September 4th, 2007, 9:19 pm

Last edited by calvary on September 7th, 2007, 7:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.

thanks for the comments, I'll be modelling the excelsior in a couple weeks, im working on the centaur right now, I use a canon print as concept. I was just bored and thought I could add a bit to this thread, regardless, I know the ship has probably been completed weeks ago lol (my time to waste). and I know the team is post nem happy alot of people dont notice the difference between a DS9 Season 7 Miranada and a TNG Season 1, optec seems to be a pretty competent modeller, my concept and info seems to blow away the "Flops" as you call it excelsior model. I don't pretend to know details of the next version but I hope the excelsior is done right.

please no more frakenstein designs, nova and promethesus for the win! :blush:

- Christine

posted on September 4th, 2007, 10:16 pm

Perhaps. And I, for one, only use the "Flops" term in a negative connotation. FO works much better for casual reference.

posted on September 4th, 2007, 11:54 pm

oh, oops. Whenever I say Flops, I mean no disrespect, in fact I do this because it sounds cool, like a puppy, or something waiting in the shadows... but I digress.
Should I stick to FO (so cold and formal) or go on with the Flops informality and ubiquitissness (that's not a word is it :sweatdrop:

posted on September 5th, 2007, 1:03 am

I always interpreted it as a derogative term, one that you could count on Joelt or Ryan to use when they were in a Fleet Ops bashing mood. (disclaimer: Ryan has been a constant support recently, so I by no means mean this is any negative way in his direction).

Of course, I know that most people never cought on to the negative usage, and just used it because it looked cool. I myself have used it a handful of times, but as I stated above, only when I was in a particularly bad mood.

Rhaz

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posted on September 5th, 2007, 6:15 am

I use the term Flops. Simply because it sounds better, and I've always supported this mod. Sure, from time to time I don't get along with a certain forum member or two, but I do love this mod and this community, I had no clue it was derogatory.

posted on September 5th, 2007, 6:22 am

Last edited by calvary on September 7th, 2007, 7:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.

to get back on topic, I worked up this rough print to fool around with incase interested.

http://img171.imagevenue.com/img.php?im ... _616lo.jpg
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I just looked at the FO Pictures and im a bit confused, it looks like enterprise b in prospective, however
no miranda, no centaur, no original excelsior leaves me to the conclusion it's going to have a sovereign texture? so this would just be a remodel? it just has blatent problems a new high quality ship, using old impulse engines. and they are kinda hard not to notice. if your going to leave old impulse drive than why not bring in a miranda? im so confused because it was my understanding that this would be a new excelsior class design? *scratches her chin in suspicion* :ermm:

- Christine

posted on September 5th, 2007, 4:44 pm

I do believe that they Excelsior II always used custom textures. It seemed grayish to me.

posted on September 7th, 2007, 7:35 pm

Last edited by calvary on September 7th, 2007, 8:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.

once I begun doing the hull I couldn't help but notice errors in my own work. since this is my actually first concept design of a starship, as a modeller im used to getting the concept from others and their is hundreds of professional cad prints available on a wide variety. so I decided to redo it.

http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?ima ... 1104lo.jpg

one thing I noticed on the sovereign is the impulse engines are crooket like the ones I did. I didn't realize this was blatently due to the saucer section being oval.

Also some updates.

U.S.S. Excelsior NX-2001

Modules:

Nova Class Variant Nacelle
Nova Class Variant Bridge
Nova Class Shuttle Pad 1
Nova Class Shuttle Bay 2
Nova Class Shuttle Bay 3
Akira Class Deflector Dish
Sovereign Class Phaser Array
Sovereign Class Torpedo Launcher
Sovereign Class Loading Bay
Sovereign Class Escape Pod
Sovereign Class Impulse Engine
Sovereign Class Thruster
Prototype Hull Connection Structure
Prototype Secondary Sensor Array

I also decided to use the nova class shuttle module, at first glance it appears their is only 1 shuttle bay by the tail like so: http://img105.imagevenue.com/img.php?im ... 1035lo.jpg however their is a "hidden" one as you can see it's a DS9 Runabout PAD Style, I intend to have 2 Shuttle bays, 1 on the aft saucer, 1 on the aft tail. and 1 "shuttlepad"

I also decided to use the nova class nacelle's this time, they are very simular to the sovereign but based on an older sovereign design, the back rcs thrusters are an older design aswell as the fan tail which we can all agree would benefit the excelsior II

I believe their was 1 sovereign design and 3 sovereign updates based over 20 or 30 year period aswell as the flagship update specificly for the enterprise in nemesis which I believed changed the shuttlebay doors to triangular instead of square and modified the torpedo launchers from single head launchers [] to dual heads [][]

it's presumable the galaxy class, nebula class will be reduced in dutie. ambassador class being replaced by the intrepid class diplomatic design. miranda and excelsior classes being decommissioned. nova class resuming construction for scientific design and with the akira class being a patrol and carrier vessel not to mention it's formible battle record the excelsior II is the perfect class to compliment the sovereign's design for exploration with it's mission specific and emergency aid design. im interested in some feedback afterall designing is half the battle and I wouldn't want to discrace the excelsior like some others!

- Christine

posted on September 7th, 2007, 7:57 pm

Anyway that we could see a full architectural schematic? I would love to see how everything is being integrated (or was the picture in your other post the full thing?).