Fek'lhr Class (FO 3.1.5) [Removed]

posted on February 15th, 2011, 10:05 am

Well, it's gone now. Shame, I fixed the fault in the model lighting before uploading.

posted on February 15th, 2011, 12:24 pm

Majestic, I think if it annoys you that much, you should make the effort to hunt down every last file and update them with new readme's because as far as Tyler is concerned I think he did everything that was reasonably expected of him based on the information he had at hand at the time.

I gather this thread has now lost it's point for existence, so it should probably be closed .

[Anonymous]

posted on February 15th, 2011, 2:03 pm

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I think that, unless the readme says "use this without asking" , you should at least make the effort to contact the author.  It is common courtesy.  In Majestic's case, he has has his work stolen over and over again, and has attempted to get his work off of every other site except his where he can control it.  I think he was only really mad because I had already stated that Majestic didn't like it and he still wasn't asked.  If he knew that Tyler had no clue, then I doubt he would mind too much, it being an older model and all.

posted on February 15th, 2011, 5:30 pm

tyler said the readme gave permission. If tyler isnt lying and it did give such permission, then what more can a modder do? whats the point of asking someone for permission when their readme already gives permission?

posted on February 15th, 2011, 5:43 pm

whats the point of asking someone for permission when their readme already gives permission?

Adm. Zaxxon said it's common courtesy. And Majestic reacting that sensitive to the matter is the result of stolen work over and over again, which I can understand. Asking is a sign for trust and respect to a creative mind.

Imagine how the FO-devs would react if someone would download, work over and re-release another FO without asking (now, after the devs worked for over 7 years).
Giving credit in a readme wouldn't be an alternative to respectfully asking for permission.

posted on February 15th, 2011, 5:51 pm

since when is it courtesy to ask for permission if the readme gives the permission already. Readmes are written by the creator so its perfectly reasonable to assume that their position is what the readme says it is.

If modders want people asking for permission then they should write in their readmes to ask, not give permission and expect people to ask anyway, or it defeats the purpose of giving said permission in a readme. If tyler followed the permission given in a readme written by the creator then he doesnt deserve to receive hostility.

I'm not saying majestic isnt within his rights to request it be taken down, he is. I'm saying he was plain rude and hostile over what appears to be a misunderstanding.

posted on February 15th, 2011, 7:44 pm

Remember to keep it friendly, guys

[Anonymous]

posted on February 16th, 2011, 2:40 pm

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Hmm, well the readme says


Terms of Usage
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1. Feel free to edit this file, but make sure you credit Taldern.
2. This model is not to be sold by itself or in a project.
3. Enjoy yourself.

and gives several ways of contacting Maj.  It doesn't say you are free to re-release it, but I have to admit that I am sketchy about it.  If it was any other modder I might have released as tyler as did, but I know Majestic's policy so I would have only released it on MSFC.

edit: though, I might consider this a project, and in that case would have definitly contacted the author for clarification.

posted on February 16th, 2011, 2:49 pm

The fact that it says to credit Taldren implies that you are allowed to re-release it, as why would you even make a readme for something you were just putting in your own game, let alone credit? At the end of the day yes Majestic is within his rights to ask for it to be taken down, but to get angry about it when it's his own fault for not updating the readme is just rude.

posted on February 16th, 2011, 2:51 pm

Majestic said he no longer allows it, when did that change?

posted on February 16th, 2011, 2:56 pm

I disagree.  I don't think it was rude.  He could have been rude as others in my experience have been, but he was not.  He had good reason to act as he did and, whether Tyler knew or not, has a policy towards his mods that has been in place for some years now.

And people release stuff all the time which they don't allow to be re-released. I"m not sure what your point was about not putting a readme in with credit for a mod like that?  

@ tyler

Years ago.  Before my time I believe, but you would have to ask him.

posted on February 16th, 2011, 4:25 pm

I disagree.  I don't think it was rude.  He could have been rude as others in my experience have been, but he was not.  He had good reason to act as he did and, whether Tyler knew or not, has a policy towards his mods that has been in place for some years now.

It was rude that he went off about how much it pisses him off that people don't ask, when the readme from the file apparently says nothing about asking, just to credit Taldren.

And people release stuff all the time which they don't allow to be re-released. I'm not sure what your point was about not putting a readme in with credit for a mod like that?

I meant that the fact that Majestic's readme says to credit Taldren if you edit the file implies that you can re-release it, as if you were just putting it in your personal mod you wouldn't make a readme or give credit as you wouldn't be releasing it to anyone else...if that makes sense 

posted on February 16th, 2011, 5:14 pm

Ah I understand. 

[Majestic]

posted on February 17th, 2011, 9:47 am

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Adm. Zaxxon said it's common courtesy. And Majestic reacting that sensitive to the matter is the result of stolen work over and over again, which I can understand. Asking is a sign for trust and respect to a creative mind.

Imagine how the FO-devs would react if someone would download, work over and re-release another FO without asking (now, after the devs worked for over 7 years).
Giving credit in a readme wouldn't be an alternative to respectfully asking for permission.

Thank you, It's nice to see someone other than Adm_Z whom isn't trying to make me out as a bad guy. It's community policy to request permission from the author to re-release a file unless the read-me states that the file can be re-released without permission.

Adm_Z even made a post about my policy early on in this thread but it was ignored. Plus have any of you tried to change every file you've ever released, I have hundreds of them. Plus Filefront doesn't like removing files, someone I used to know tried without much luck.

All of you whom say I am rude and what not, if that is your definition of rude well talk about sensitive. I could have gone off the handle, all I did was state I was upset and politely requested that the file be removed as permission was not granted. If this is how FO members treat other members then I think I will want no part of it, and when I finish my own FO mods, I wont notify the FO Community at all about it and just let the MSFC Community know about it.

I am now really annoyed at this, treating me as some-sort of horrible unkind person.

posted on February 17th, 2011, 10:05 am

firstly i was working under the assumption that the readme gave the permission. i dont actually know if it gave the permission since i dont have the readme.

i was assuming that this post was true:

What I got from the Readme was that it was fine as long as you credit Taldren, presumably since it's their work.

It really pisses me off when people don't ask

i may be a sensitive guy, but that is pretty nasty for what appears to be a simple readme understanding. tyler didnt purposefully steal your work, all you had to do was state your policy, say you were upset and ask nicely for removal, tyler wouldn't have argued.

you came accross as brash. people may have stolen your work before, but thats no reason to be rude to tyler.

outdated readme

sadly, it is your responsibility to keep readmes up to date. modders must be able to trust the readme as it states your policy. if modders can never trust readmes because they are likely to go out of date then modders should stop including readmes you cant expect modders to do anything other than accept the readme as your policy.

i think nobody here has any problem with you asking for the file taken down, we just didnt take kindly to the anger and bitterness in that post. that probably comes from having your work stolen repeatedly.