One new idea meant for the 3rd avatar patch...

posted on November 3rd, 2009, 7:30 pm

Provided the Titan survives long enough for him to earn a promotion... Considering his record with the Enterprise, I'm not expecting the Titans chances to be that high.

posted on November 3rd, 2009, 8:28 pm

Provided the Titan survives long enough for him to earn a promotion... Considering his record with the Enterprise, I'm not expecting the Titans chances to be that high.

haha.

posted on November 3rd, 2009, 10:26 pm

Provided the Titan survives long enough for him to earn a promotion... Considering his record with the Enterprise, I'm not expecting the Titans chances to be that high.

Riker problably lost the Titan to a ferengi in a poker game.

posted on November 8th, 2009, 5:51 pm

I know that he's not up here, but I put foward Admiral Jellico. I know people hate him for his uncaring attitude towards others, but because of that very attitude, he is EXTREMELY effiecent in his duties. He's assigned, he does the job, he leaves. Unlike numerous of the characters we know, he has no real distractions when doing operations, since he isn't a person to socialize or make friends. Officers follow him due to his rank, not his personality, so due to that, things that he takes part in tend to go more smoothly since he doesn't have close ones flagging him down with their two-sense. He says something to lesser-ranking officers, and because of his rank, he expects them done without others second-guessing his actions. The efficiency he brings to operations would make him and excellent choice for a third avatar

...Still, BLAST THE MAN!!! He dares to set foot on the Enterprise-D with his attitude and expects people to follow his orders to the letter, without listening AT ALL to the well-experienced crew!!!  >:(

posted on November 8th, 2009, 6:07 pm

I think Mackenzie Calhoun would have something to say about that!

Too bad the dev team hasn't read Star Trek:  New Frontier by Peter David (one of the best and most recognized ST authors of all time ).  If they had, Calhoun would probably be their 3rd Avatar, and I would pick him every time.

It's a good series if you haven't read it.

posted on November 8th, 2009, 6:13 pm

Yeah, I've read it up to the ninth book. Need to go find the others...

By the way, I didn't suggest Jellico 'cause I like him. Believe me, I hate the man as genuinely Calhoun does. But even then, there's no denying that he's the best at what he does.

Then again, there's no denying that the man's an absolute aroogant ass.... 

[Atlantisbase]

posted on December 9th, 2009, 12:32 am

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Janeway is just unsavory to me overall - she broke so many Starfleet directives (especially during Year of Hell) and seemed to me just a science officer who was unfortunately catapulted to a command rank without understanding what her duties were... breaking the prime directive, temporal directive, using torture, recklessly endangering crew...

Personally I think Janeway would make a great admiral, having survived the delta quadrant. Considering all she and her crew went through, she should have both excellent diplomacy skills and some damn good tactics, not to mention she can think outside the box. For heaven's sake, she negotiated with the Borg. For the record, the Year of Hell never happened; it was all sort of a temporal accident and at the end, the destruction of the Krenim ship, resets the time line. I know, it's weird, messing with time is weird, what do you want. In her defense, she was thrown to the other side of the Galaxy; she was not exactly in the best spot to be following Starfleet's directives to the last "t". Also she was a fresh captain, she had only just taken command. All things considered, I think she did an excellent job. When you come right down to it, most captains will break the rules more than once during their command, even Picard. As for being jumped into her rank, need I remind you that Picard was forced to take command of the Stargazer as a lieutenant. Also she was given command of what was essentially a science vessel, Starfleet never intended Voyager to be dragged into battles (although, had it not been pulled into the delta quadrant, it probably would have been used in the Dominion War) or sent to all reaches of the universe.

I think Picard would also make a great admiral. Eventually, I think he would take the promotion, even if he insisted that he get command of a ship again or of some frontier outpost, like in the gamma quadrant. I'm not sure Riker would make a good admiral, he's a bit too reckless and quick on the trigger, quick to judge. He'd probably make a good bureaucrat though. I think La Forge would be an interesting admiral, very tech oriented.

Anyway, there's my two cents; basically, don't count out Janeway just 'cause she broke a few rules.

posted on December 9th, 2009, 12:45 am

When you come right down to it, most captains will break the rules more than once during their command, even Picard.

Picard broke the rules? Nah, he merely bent them... the way Spock never lies, he merely 'exaggerates the truth'.

posted on December 9th, 2009, 1:09 am

Admiral Nog!  It's been 20 years.

I suggest for his ability - Quickbuild.  Admiral Nog can pay extra to accelerate production of anything.  He can pay 4 times the normal price for instant construction (really, he just bought one.)

posted on December 9th, 2009, 1:23 am

I would suggest to create a new charakter instead of taking Janeway or one of the much older guys like Admiral Paris.
Janeway doesn't deserve to be admiral anyways. Right in the beginning, during the caretaker-event she decided out of her feeling of being already involved instead out of her knowing of her duty as a starfleet-captain. She should have been degraded from this point on. I might understand that this event was a very difficult situation, but if Janeway would have acted like a competent officer, she would have beamed some photons aboard the station with timedetonators in order to escape AND let the Kazon without the station.
She didn't get that as a captain- why should anyone think that it would be realistic to make her an admiral after so many bad decisions as a captain (even if this was the storywriters fault)...?

posted on December 9th, 2009, 5:49 am

I'm willing to say that maybe she didn't believe they could get it working in time.  HOWEVER...

She used subspace weapons to blow it up.  Bloody tri-cobalt torpedoes.  So on top of destroying the way home, she endangered the subspace barrier as well, in direct violation of the ban on those things.  I still wanna know why the hell she had them in the first place.

[Tyler]

posted on December 9th, 2009, 6:02 am

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Background note from Memory Alpha. An important part is bolded.

From 'Tricobalt device':

It is of note that when used under certain conditions, tricobalt explosives can cause subspace ruptures. They are however, probably not considered subspace weapons, as their effects are highly predictable and they are routinely carried by Federation vessels.

From 'Subspace weapon':

The Starfleet-manufactured tricobalt device could also technically be classed as a subspace weapon, as it is capable of creating a tear in subspace, as revealed in VOY: "The Voyager Conspiracy". However, due to the high predictability of its subspace effects they may not be classified as subspace weapons and therefore not banned by the Khitomer Accords. Though infrequently, they are sometimes carried on Federation starships.

Subspace weapons = Unpredictable (that is why they were banned)
Tricobalt devices = Highly predictable

posted on December 9th, 2009, 6:38 am

The good news is that Voyager is still in the Delta Quandrant in the FO timeline, and that suits me just fine.   With any luck, the crew was assimilated, and the Collective began to unravel at the extreme plummet in perfection once they made Nelix a drone.  That's probably why the Borg in FO are low on resources.  Half the ships blew up from having to hear his voice all day long.

[Boggz]

posted on December 9th, 2009, 6:56 am

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The good news is that Voyager is still in the Delta Quandrant in the FO timeline, and that suits me just fine.   With any luck, the crew was assimilated, and the Collective began to unravel at the extreme plummet in perfection once they made Nelix a drone.  That's probably why the Borg in FO are low on resources.  Half the ships blew up from having to hear his voice all day long.

  But ... but but but ...

Stop me if I'm waaaaay off here, but I feel that there is a TNG movie where Picard actually SPEAKS to "Admiral Janeway".  I've only seen it once, but I thought that in Nemesis Janeway is featured for just a second.   IMDB shall shed light on this!

  EDIT:  BOOM!  Admiral Janeway was INDEED in Nemesis.  Again I barely recall the movie outside of the Romulan vessels entering the battle, but she was indeed an Admiral at the time of Picard's little mishap with his bald buddy Shinzon.

posted on December 9th, 2009, 7:06 am

That's probably why the Borg in FO are low on resources.  Half the ships blew up from having to hear his voice all day long.

Forget the voice, the cooking is what buggered the Borg.

  But ... but but but ...

Stop me if I'm waaaaay off here, but I feel that there is a TNG movie where Picard actually SPEAKS to "Admiral Janeway".  I've only seen it once, but I thought that in Nemesis Janeway is featured for just a second.   IMDB shall shed light on this!

  EDIT:  BOOM!  Admiral Janeway was INDEED in Nemesis.  Again I barely recall the movie outside of the Romulan vessels entering the battle, but she was indeed an Admiral at the time of Picard's little mishap with his bald buddy Shinzon.

Since the split is half way between Voyager, there is no Nemesis. Either that or someone else gave him his orders...