Aurora Class
posted on December 30th, 2009, 6:45 pm
Well, we're talking about the design, whether new or with space dust. Atlantis, the chair back on Earth, and even the puddle jumpers which are spacecraft themselves look sleek and futuristic, especially their exteriors. So why do their main battleships look like something you would find in a boiler room? Usually, advanced races have a thing with combining form with function. This looks like all function.
Also, we've seen military Lanteans before, I don't think they were all scientists. My point being that if they have some diversity, one of them should have been creative enough to come up with a better looking vessel that fit their already existing motif. What we have now looks like something that humans of today would design. (Think on the irony of that statement.
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Also, we've seen military Lanteans before, I don't think they were all scientists. My point being that if they have some diversity, one of them should have been creative enough to come up with a better looking vessel that fit their already existing motif. What we have now looks like something that humans of today would design. (Think on the irony of that statement.
)Actium
posted on December 30th, 2009, 7:06 pm
posted on December 30th, 2009, 7:31 pm
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Mal wrote:Also, we've seen military Lanteans before, I don't think they were all scientists. My point being that if they have some diversity, one of them should have been creative enough to come up with a better looking vessel that fit their already existing motif. What we have now looks like something that humans of today would design. (Think on the irony of that statement.
The Federation also has a military, but no warships until the Borg arrived. They only had explorers that could defend themselves despite the fact that Starfleet is a military. What I said was that their ships would most likely be armed more for defence than war, not that they were all scientists.
However, they were still not cut out to be warriors... their ability to design a good looking ship for use in war probably rivaled their ability to actually fight a war (which they don't have).
Actium
posted on December 30th, 2009, 7:40 pm
looks a tad similar
posted on December 30th, 2009, 8:01 pm
posted on December 30th, 2009, 8:02 pm
Well, Starfleet had no dedicated warships. Their "vessels of exploration" just happened to be able to go toe-to-toe against fully dedicated warships and come out on top.
They've pretty much been a universal superpower for millions of years, haven't they? They split off from the Ori, then moved to the Milky Way and built stargates and seeded life. During this time, they built Atlantis on earth, then got really, really bored and shoved off to Pegasus. Built some gates there, seeded life. Waited another few million years for a bug creature to feed off their dna and create an evil subrace (orcs and elves, anyone?) Then waited for tens of thousands of years more for them to create great and powerful ships to come and completely take them by surprise.
While that's more of a critique of the show, we know they had atlantis-style architecture for millions of years. So why did the designers of the show go to all the work of making everything the Lanteans did impressive and beautiful, to show that they understood how to combine form and function in an attractive way, only to make their big vessel (either it's a warship or an exploration vessel, or both) look so ugly.
When they revealed it in the show, they cued up the big thematic music, and you're supposed to be impressed. I looked at it and thought "meh". It was reminiscent of the millinium falcon, all substance, very little form. I was half expecting princess leia to come up to the viewscreen and say, "You fly in that thing? You're braver than I thought." (She's got it where it counts, sweetheart.
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They've pretty much been a universal superpower for millions of years, haven't they? They split off from the Ori, then moved to the Milky Way and built stargates and seeded life. During this time, they built Atlantis on earth, then got really, really bored and shoved off to Pegasus. Built some gates there, seeded life. Waited another few million years for a bug creature to feed off their dna and create an evil subrace (orcs and elves, anyone?) Then waited for tens of thousands of years more for them to create great and powerful ships to come and completely take them by surprise.
While that's more of a critique of the show, we know they had atlantis-style architecture for millions of years. So why did the designers of the show go to all the work of making everything the Lanteans did impressive and beautiful, to show that they understood how to combine form and function in an attractive way, only to make their big vessel (either it's a warship or an exploration vessel, or both) look so ugly.
When they revealed it in the show, they cued up the big thematic music, and you're supposed to be impressed. I looked at it and thought "meh". It was reminiscent of the millinium falcon, all substance, very little form. I was half expecting princess leia to come up to the viewscreen and say, "You fly in that thing? You're braver than I thought." (She's got it where it counts, sweetheart.
)Actium
posted on December 30th, 2009, 8:39 pm
posted on December 31st, 2009, 6:52 am
Actium wrote:well, depends alot on how much time u want use for the game
true i played for like a year before i had to quit since me laptop broke but im plan on playing again soon i hope btw i was a minmatar
posted on December 31st, 2009, 11:18 am
Actium
posted on January 2nd, 2010, 9:35 pm
Martox wrote:true i played for like a year before i had to quit since me laptop broke but im plan on playing again soon i hope btw i was a minmatar
ditto, but stopped playing because it got boring. Because: i didnt have the time for the Wars and flying allday solo lvl 4 missions gets boring from time to time
posted on January 2nd, 2010, 10:55 pm
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posted on January 3rd, 2010, 1:23 am
Well, we seem to see a great deal of plot conveniences used in television anymore. To be honest, though, my main beef with Stargate has more to do with the fact that they've used the same general arc over and over again. So with SG-1 we're battling evil aliens that pretend to be the gods of various beliefs and mythos. And that was fun. So we defeat the replicators and the gouald in the same day towards the end! Hurray! 
So instead of doing something cool and and interesting, the Ori come and we have more god-like aliens who have the power to control the galaxy and who everyone fears and respects. More of the same. Then we have Atlantis at the same time, with an alien race who controls the galaxy whom everyone fears. And they have followers as well, called wraith worshippers. It was the same formula, time and time again, but in atlantis, they just come up with some lame excuse about the ancients being caught off guard.
And from what I remember, the bug dna turned sheppard into a wraith, didn't it? So if your own people are getting turned into evil villians, wouldn't you do something about that during the many many years it would take for them to grow in numbers? The morons from the atlantis expedition were able to figure it out and come up with a cure, why couldn't the ancients? "Nah, we'll just leave them to their fate, because we're the cold-hearted and mean ancients who left Earth."
And it's good that you bring up the Breen. This is the cracked.com article tyler linked. It explains my views on them completely.
Again, more plot convenience with no developed story. Seriously, they made this big deal about the wormhole early in the series because now there's a whole new quadrant to explore, and we barely explore any of it and spend all our time in the Alpha Quadrant...with more of the same.
That's why I love Babylon 5 so much. It was interesting and original, and NO ONE at the time thought there could be another scifi series that could go up against trek. It did very well, and was a refreshing change. It was about the human condition, which is what good scifi is supposed to be about. I even liked BSG up until the middle of the series, because it was fun and edgy, and about people. Then it was all about the "final five", and I began to lose interest.
And I can understand your thinking if these ships were rushed into service or something, and made by some unimaginative ancient scientist or something, but remember that someone somewhere in Canada, there was a guy who thought that this was a good design for the most technologically advanced alien race of two galaxies. I just think they could have tried a little harder. It looks like something I could make with a few minutes on milkshape 3D. So either I'm an ancient scientist (you never know
), or the designers think that ancient scientists have no taste (which says a lot about me 
). I just think they could have come up with something more interesting, something that would have made me more impressed with the warship.
So instead of doing something cool and and interesting, the Ori come and we have more god-like aliens who have the power to control the galaxy and who everyone fears and respects. More of the same. Then we have Atlantis at the same time, with an alien race who controls the galaxy whom everyone fears. And they have followers as well, called wraith worshippers. It was the same formula, time and time again, but in atlantis, they just come up with some lame excuse about the ancients being caught off guard.
And from what I remember, the bug dna turned sheppard into a wraith, didn't it? So if your own people are getting turned into evil villians, wouldn't you do something about that during the many many years it would take for them to grow in numbers? The morons from the atlantis expedition were able to figure it out and come up with a cure, why couldn't the ancients? "Nah, we'll just leave them to their fate, because we're the cold-hearted and mean ancients who left Earth."
And it's good that you bring up the Breen. This is the cracked.com article tyler linked. It explains my views on them completely.
Again, more plot convenience with no developed story. Seriously, they made this big deal about the wormhole early in the series because now there's a whole new quadrant to explore, and we barely explore any of it and spend all our time in the Alpha Quadrant...with more of the same. That's why I love Babylon 5 so much. It was interesting and original, and NO ONE at the time thought there could be another scifi series that could go up against trek. It did very well, and was a refreshing change. It was about the human condition, which is what good scifi is supposed to be about. I even liked BSG up until the middle of the series, because it was fun and edgy, and about people. Then it was all about the "final five", and I began to lose interest.
And I can understand your thinking if these ships were rushed into service or something, and made by some unimaginative ancient scientist or something, but remember that someone somewhere in Canada, there was a guy who thought that this was a good design for the most technologically advanced alien race of two galaxies. I just think they could have tried a little harder. It looks like something I could make with a few minutes on milkshape 3D. So either I'm an ancient scientist (you never know
), or the designers think that ancient scientists have no taste (which says a lot about me ). I just think they could have come up with something more interesting, something that would have made me more impressed with the warship.posted on January 3rd, 2010, 8:24 am
posted on January 3rd, 2010, 9:54 am
yeah i think we both agree that the ancient "warships" arent very beautiful and i was a little disapointed too when i first saw them in the show.
furthermore i agree with you about the ori. it was a hell of a coincidence that suddenly, out of nowhere the ori showed up. therefore i see the stargate universe seperated in 4 tv show: universe, atlantis, sg1 (s1-s8), sg1 (s9-s10). yeah and of course the original show with o'neill was the best.
but for me atlantis is the second best show, maybe because i think its not very hard to believe that the wraith survived so long without the ancients even started to pay attention. i mean just after they recognized they were a threat, the wraith were no match. it was an easy victory. the ancients had the superior technology and more menpower, so why worry about them and vast so much energy. but they were overconfident and drove to far in enemy space, so they lost several ZPM's. and with this power the wraith could massivly outnumber the ancients. over the years the ancients lost world after world until only atlantis was left. make sense somehow...^^
besides for me there not that much similarities with the goa uld. i personally "like" the wraith because there an evil but not to overpowerd race, with their strength in numbers. but i mean its my opinion and when you see that different its ok
furthermore i agree with you about the ori. it was a hell of a coincidence that suddenly, out of nowhere the ori showed up. therefore i see the stargate universe seperated in 4 tv show: universe, atlantis, sg1 (s1-s8), sg1 (s9-s10). yeah and of course the original show with o'neill was the best.
but for me atlantis is the second best show, maybe because i think its not very hard to believe that the wraith survived so long without the ancients even started to pay attention. i mean just after they recognized they were a threat, the wraith were no match. it was an easy victory. the ancients had the superior technology and more menpower, so why worry about them and vast so much energy. but they were overconfident and drove to far in enemy space, so they lost several ZPM's. and with this power the wraith could massivly outnumber the ancients. over the years the ancients lost world after world until only atlantis was left. make sense somehow...^^
besides for me there not that much similarities with the goa uld. i personally "like" the wraith because there an evil but not to overpowerd race, with their strength in numbers. but i mean its my opinion and when you see that different its ok
posted on January 3rd, 2010, 2:59 pm
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