Gamer's Map forum

posted on August 25th, 2009, 3:32 pm

Can you perhaps give a summary of what these maps are please? I'm not too interested in maps with AI on them as I (and perhaps many others as well) tend to go for the multiplayer option

posted on August 25th, 2009, 3:38 pm

Okay...............................

You get 4 maps...

1 of them is a good 2-player map made to be a long game for even 1337 P|4Y3R5. It has some AI more towards the inner side of the map.

Another is a good 4 player map with derelicts, the only AI is some turrets and a few scouts and a cruiser or two that usually runs into the turrets and gets blown up anyway.

Finally there are the two (2) 8-player maps. One is a completely open map, no walls nor wormholes, and some (not too much) nebula. The resources are stretched across the map.

The other one is another cell map that holds 4 cells with 2 players each. Some wormholes lead you around an there is nebula surrounding it to reduce incoming cloaked fleets. So stationing neer the wormhole is a good idea.

Okay... there is your description.

posted on August 28th, 2009, 4:44 pm

Okay, I got a question, for those who haven't downloaded my recent maps feel free to do so.

For those who have, I want to know your opinions, and what improvements I can make in a map.


Also, I want to know if there is a kind of map you want, that you don't see a lot of. Maybe I can make it.

posted on August 28th, 2009, 5:55 pm

Personally I'd like to see some more interesting 1v1 maps honestly, along with some more 2v2 and 3v3 maps. Ones that preferably do not have AI and ones that do not allow you to easily protect your base (aka, not surrounded by asteroids on 3 sides etc).  '

I have yet to test out your maps in multiplayer, so I'll try to get some feedback as soon as I can.

[tom]

posted on August 30th, 2009, 10:41 pm

Last edited by tom on August 31st, 2009, 2:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.

if U want to make a gr8 1v1 map take what we have now and try to improve it or make it a template for a new map.
Dominus mentioned in some other topic that 'the reef' is a good 1v1 map. i tend to agree with him.

U could try to balance it to be even better (the reef v2 ):

• try to move starting locations so they make a pentagon
• try to move first expansion moons so all starting locations have the same distance to their respective first expansions
• maybe add a few nebulas

if U want to know what i think a good map should have here it is:

• balanced, all starting locations should have the same advantages and disadvantages
• open so there is a room to fight and be sneaky with those cloaked ships even late-game
• should have some key position(s) like the center on 'the reef'. taking a key position should give U an advantage but not instant win
• should discourage campy gamestyle (be opposite of dakara corridor, i dont remember the name ). that means more then one access point to most expasions, no single chock-point, should allow harassment
• should be big should not be small. some races in FO have advantage on small maps, i find bigger maps more balanced
• more then two expansions for each player, this means more then 12 moons on the map. U could also make single moon expansions but easier to defend
• no moon clusters, a single expansion should have no more then 2 moons, maybe 3 for some key expansion but no more then that

EDIT: agreed with Dominus. medium maps are better, like the reef, i had that in mind when i wrote 'big'.

posted on August 30th, 2009, 11:02 pm

I tend to agree with everything except for small two things.

should be big. some races in FO have advantage on small maps, i find bigger maps more balanced

A medium sized map would do better I believe, either that or have a big map but limit the amount of resources. Borg cannot do well on a large map (3 plus moon sets per player). Cloaking factions and warp in tend to rule large maps.

no moon clusters, a single expansion should have no more then 2 moons, maybe 3 for some key expansion but no more then that

I think that it is best to always keep expansions as even pairs of moons, otherwise some of the resource imbalances become much more painful for certain factions. For instance, certain maps have a Dilithium expansion of one moon... which will kill Dominion fast.

Other than that, I think all of this advice makes sense... sometimes it is a good idea to limit or not have any nebulae, because they can be hard to balance--especially with the amount of bugs inherent to them at the moment.

posted on August 31st, 2009, 2:09 am

Downloading now. Will post back when i get a chance. Be patient. You will get more downloads.

posted on September 15th, 2009, 6:15 pm

Okay... I was thinking of this for a feature in a map, though I wanted to make sure it'd be a good idea. I was thinking of having a small nebula line  with a moon pair on each side. The nebula would probably be a destroying one. But I was thinking of this because unarmed stations can be placed against the nebula and then have a little circle of turrets and a few outposts surrounding... is it good or bad?

posted on September 15th, 2009, 8:48 pm

I actually tried something like this and it didn't work too well. When i played as romulan, i could park Serkas in the nebula in the center and shell the enemy to pieces. Now, that was because i put a blue nebula in but it might work with other types.

posted on September 23rd, 2009, 3:45 am

1337_64M3R  Down loaded and played you  sector of defeat map.I have to agree with other posts that the NPC  has a very bad habit of  wiping the map of everything in its path. I  tried  to played at least 10 seperate games. In every game the Npc wiped the map clean  leaving me with out the bility to build up any thing every time It  wiped me clean  but left  other structures tottally untouched. In one game it totally destroyed my oppponnent except  a mining station,  no ships  stations or any thing else.  the ships just sat there for 10 minutes doing nothing. then  wiped me  off the face of the map save a mining station and a few mining ships . The Npc needs to have a  truce timer for at least  15 minutes  or untill the  NPC bases are  atttacked.

posted on September 23rd, 2009, 9:03 am

NPC never bothered me, they were about as dangerous as a regular AI, even when placed in large numbers. Both ones using Player and NPC units.

posted on September 23rd, 2009, 1:00 pm

1337_64M3R  Down loaded and played you  sector of defeat map.I have to agree with other posts that the NPC   has a very bad habit of   wiping the map of everything in its path. I  tried  to played at least 10 seperate games. In every game the Npc wiped the map clean  leaving me with out the bility to build up any thing every time It  wiped me clean  but left  other structures tottally untouched. In one game it totally destroyed my oppponnent except  a mining station,  no ships  stations or any thing else.  the ships just sat there for 10 minutes doing nothing. then  wiped me  off the face of the map save a mining station and a few mining ships . The Npc needs to have a  truce timer for at least  15 minutes   or untill the  NPC bases are   atttacked.

Hehe.... Well, I was planning on realeasing a redone version of that where your not such an open target....

posted on September 23rd, 2009, 5:29 pm

Dont get me wrong I like the map "Sector of Defeat" a lot. But the NPC's  need a differnt trigger, Since I have played about 12 games  so far .I have seen a trend for the NPC to go and wipe out a player on one side of the map , save a lone structure. thus keeping the game going. Then move totally across the map and do the same thing to you.I feel there needs to be a line  that you cant cross  around the  NPC bases in the middle of the map. Any thing above and below that is  free for expansion by both  players. May be a line of sensor and  sentry turrets to mark the area. The  asteroid  drifts Ide thin them a bit  but put Bucketloads of resourses  to mine in the  stead of the  asteroids. just my 2cnts..

posted on September 23rd, 2009, 5:40 pm

i like the sector of defeat,  my only  "coment"  would be the mini map ins't a mini map but some picture logo thing.

whats up with that?

SHOW THE MAP!!

some of us are senile and cant remember the names all the time, we NEED the real picture

posted on September 23rd, 2009, 5:45 pm

It will be released with V2!