FlOps timeline with the new film

posted on May 18th, 2009, 1:07 pm

We're all aware of the Flops backsotry - at least to a degree - as regards the time in which it is set, as wll as the reason for there being no Cardassians as well as the new races.

I'm fine with that (well, except the cardassian bit).

However, at this time in 2387 it is canonically accepted that Romulus is no longer in existence. Moreover, the Romulans are scattered. Given that Romulus is now in a worse condition than Cardassia, is there still reason to have Romulans in game and not Cardassians at this point?

posted on May 18th, 2009, 2:11 pm

I personally would love to have the Cardies in, even if they are not part of the main story, why not still have em simply for skirmish/multiplayer purposes... however, even in their weakened state, would it not be possible to have them at least in a limited supporting role for one of the other main races (or atleast one avatar of a race, similar to breen avatar for the Dominion which has a limited number of ships and upgrades to help support the dominion.)  I wouldn't want the Rommies to be removed either, atleast not from the Skirmish/MP role, but if it were possible (and plausible) I'd love to see every ST race in as playable in Skirmish/MP, obviously not possible tho .

posted on May 18th, 2009, 2:25 pm

FO has no relation to that film. If FO did, there would probably be a very different Federation.

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posted on May 18th, 2009, 2:54 pm

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I dont understand that statement Tyler.

The film does not just deal with an alternate timeline. It has a prime timeline that shows romulus destroyed in 2387. that is not alternate but prime. That prime event causes the alternate timeline when the Narada goes back.

FO deals with the prime timeline, and Romulus' prime 2387 destruction puts it at around the same time as FO. So you may want to reconsider that assumption .

Hence my question - what do we do with the Rommies now? Shall we make them mercenaries like the Cardassians or NPC?

posted on May 18th, 2009, 3:03 pm

Serpicus, you are postulating the clearly incorrect fact that the Romulans do not have colonies within thier own space. Even if a majority of Romulans did live on Romulus, there would still be billions, if not trillions, left over from colonies. Now, if you do not make colonies within your space, then how can you claim it?



OFF TOPIC: When I was thinking of a better word to use then assuming, postulating poped into my head. I'd never even heard of that word before, so I looked up its meaning an the WEb, and saw that it meant what I needed it to mean .

posted on May 18th, 2009, 3:04 pm

I believe Optec said somewhere that FO is something like a parrellel universe that diverges from the STXI "prime" universe sometime after nemesis. So in the FO timeline, Romulus does not perish. I believe that is what Tyler is trying to say.

So, everything we have seen of star trek before STXI is canon, but everything in the film isn't, because FO splits from canon after nemesis, but before the Hobus supernova, which in FO, never happens - or at least, it never destroys Romulus.

posted on May 18th, 2009, 3:36 pm

Serpicus, you are postulating the clearly incorrect fact that the Romulans do not have colonies within thier own space. Even if a majority of Romulans did live on Romulus, there would still be billions, if not trillions, left over from colonies. Now, if you do not make colonies within your space, then how can you claim it?



OFF TOPIC: When I was thinking of a better word to use then assuming, postulating poped into my head. I'd never even heard of that word before, so I looked up its meaning an the WEb, and saw that it meant what I needed it to mean .

. So was it also an incorrect postulation to assume that cardassia's destruction yielded the destruction of all of the cardassian fleet... especially since we saw cardassian fleets turning the tide against the dominion.

After all damar himself had bases on several satellites and a couple of planets.

In that case then, we need to consider the FO timeline in regards to the cardassians too.... hmm?

posted on May 18th, 2009, 3:40 pm

I believe Optec said somewhere that FO is something like a parrellel universe that diverges from the STXI "prime" universe sometime after nemesis. So in the FO timeline, Romulus does not perish. I believe that is what Tyler is trying to say.

So, everything we have seen of star trek before STXI is canon, but everything in the film isn't, because FO splits from canon after nemesis, but before the Hobus supernova, which in FO, never happens - or at least, it never destroys Romulus.

Interesting. Are u sure about that? Cos if you are assuming Romulus does not perish, you are now deviating from canon.
Then when ppl cite canon Dominion and canon Cardassians, or canon borg and canon feds in coming up with excuses as to why Cardassians are absent and only possible as NPCs we then confirm by this statement that they do not know what they are talking about.

Cos here we seem to be vacillating between canon and non-canon as a premise of convenience. Nothing, then, would remain of the FO timeline nor the storyline..

posted on May 18th, 2009, 4:00 pm

The FO creators know the FO canon best, they are the ones you need to question.

posted on May 18th, 2009, 4:10 pm

The Fleet Operations universe splits of somewhere during Voyager. Romulus is still the heart of the empire in 2392, where most of the "Eraudi incident" begins that starts much of the Alpha-Quadrant relevant storypart of the Fleet Operations universe.
The Cardassians are no longer part of the Dominion, as they quit and betrayed the Dominion and will never be part of the Dominion any time soon (I dont beliefe they would to, either way). Most of their economy is crushed, their homeworld suffered from orbital bombardment. The Dominion itself is at non-agression-pact with the Federation - and the Alpha Quadrant itself - but there were far to many cruelties in the past for either the Federation nor any other Alpha Quadrant power to accept an enduring peace treaty or even an alliance. Odo will do its best to solve that
As the Cardassians are no longer a major stellar power and are not directly involved in the Fleet Operations storyline (they are important for the Noxter, therefore they will be major NP race) they are not included as a playable race.

The differences between canon Star Trek and Fleet Operations emerged, cause the story of Fleet Operations was written and planed while Voyager was on TV in Germany. We included some aspects of newer Films and shows as our storyline evolved.

posted on May 18th, 2009, 4:21 pm

After all damar himself had bases on several satellites and a couple of planets.

The Dominion hunted down and destroyed all the bases of the rebellion.

posted on May 19th, 2009, 6:52 am

If you listened to the new film closely, you'll hear a conversation regarding the big romulan mining ship and the singularity (Black Hole)

It states that when that ship came through and altered the course of history, it created a new reality, thus having no impact on the "real" time line, the Star Trek we know and love still exists.

posted on May 19th, 2009, 7:59 am

However the supernova DID take place and romulus WAS destoyed, its just the rest of the movie took place in an alternate timeline. That doesn't matter though since it has been stated that fleetops disengages from the "prime" universe sometime between late voyager and just after nemesis and that supernova did not occur.

posted on May 19th, 2009, 12:04 pm

If you want to console yourself RCIX, you can just say that another alternate timeline occurs for FO. Afterall, any number of spatial events could cause a seperation from the other ST universe

posted on May 19th, 2009, 1:49 pm

Hence my question - what do we do with the Rommies now? Shall we make them mercenaries like the Cardassians or NPC?

Noooooooooooo 

In ST:XI only Romulus (and maybe remus) are destroyed. NOT the romulan' Empire !!!!
So Romulans could be persist.